superchip vs. hypertech
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superchip vs. hypertech
I originaly was looking at these products for calibrating my speedo after getting new tires and the hypertech seems to do that.
After reading a lot of these post though it sounds like for towing performance and and better shifting on the freeway that the superchip is the better choice.
Does anyone know if there is a milage improvement (with the superchip) that will wash the cost of the premium for normal everyday driving and if there is a solution in that direction for calibrating my speedo?
The truck is a 02 f150 xl 4x4 4.6 auto. The tires that came stock were p235 70 R 16 (crap) and I put on LT265 75 R 16. I was shock that the dealer said they couldn't recalibrate this for me.
Thanks,
Randy
After reading a lot of these post though it sounds like for towing performance and and better shifting on the freeway that the superchip is the better choice.
Does anyone know if there is a milage improvement (with the superchip) that will wash the cost of the premium for normal everyday driving and if there is a solution in that direction for calibrating my speedo?
The truck is a 02 f150 xl 4x4 4.6 auto. The tires that came stock were p235 70 R 16 (crap) and I put on LT265 75 R 16. I was shock that the dealer said they couldn't recalibrate this for me.
Thanks,
Randy
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Hi Randy,
The Superchip is not going to give you enough of an mpg gain to completely offset the cost of premium gas, nor is it supposed to, it's a *performance* part.
The maximum additional cost to use the Superchip on premium gas all the time in these F-150's compared to running on the factory program on 87 octane is $100 per 10,000 miles driven, which is next to nothing.
For most people driving 15,000 - 20,000 miles per year, that's $2-$3 a week more for gas, sometimes $4 more a week at most, and a lot of people see even less cost. This assumes a 20 cent per gallon cost delta between 87 & premium, and in many places in the country, the cost delta is a bit less. For us, we pay only 10 cents more per gallon for premium over regular, so in some of our vehicles we're actually spending less total money for gasoline thanks to using the Superchip, though that is due to us being a bit on the low side in terms of the cost delta.
Even with those good numbers though, I'd never expect the Superchip to completely offset the cost of switching to premium gas, that wouldn't be accurate or fair to claim, so figure that you could be looking at $2-$4 more per week for gas to run the Superchip on premium all the time.
There's no contest between the Superchip and anything else, especially a Hypertech. Hypertech is generic, meaning their programs are not made for your specific individual vehicle like we do, but instead are compromised to run on all similar vehicles. In addition, they only change engine tuning to add power during open-loop operation, basically at full-throttle only (well, extremely heavy to full-throttle, to be technically correct). That yields a very poor result with little to no raw power gains, and what gains there are you get only when you run the vehicle extremely hard, not a result we'd have on any vehicle of ours. We test their products as well as everyone else's among the name chipmakers year after year, and they don't change, they do the same generic open-loop only tuning job they've always done.
The Superchip can easily be set up to run on both 87 octane and premium gas by using the 2-program Superchip Flip Chip, whose cost also includes any custom programming to correct your speedometer, odometer and in the automatics, the shift points as well for things like tire size and gear ratio changes, etc.
It really gets down to the actual quality of the *program*, not the type of device that delivers the performance program to the ECU; the hardware doesn't matter, it's the *software* that runs your vehicle, and that's what counts.
Give us a call if you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, & have a great weekend!
The Superchip is not going to give you enough of an mpg gain to completely offset the cost of premium gas, nor is it supposed to, it's a *performance* part.
The maximum additional cost to use the Superchip on premium gas all the time in these F-150's compared to running on the factory program on 87 octane is $100 per 10,000 miles driven, which is next to nothing.
For most people driving 15,000 - 20,000 miles per year, that's $2-$3 a week more for gas, sometimes $4 more a week at most, and a lot of people see even less cost. This assumes a 20 cent per gallon cost delta between 87 & premium, and in many places in the country, the cost delta is a bit less. For us, we pay only 10 cents more per gallon for premium over regular, so in some of our vehicles we're actually spending less total money for gasoline thanks to using the Superchip, though that is due to us being a bit on the low side in terms of the cost delta.
Even with those good numbers though, I'd never expect the Superchip to completely offset the cost of switching to premium gas, that wouldn't be accurate or fair to claim, so figure that you could be looking at $2-$4 more per week for gas to run the Superchip on premium all the time.
There's no contest between the Superchip and anything else, especially a Hypertech. Hypertech is generic, meaning their programs are not made for your specific individual vehicle like we do, but instead are compromised to run on all similar vehicles. In addition, they only change engine tuning to add power during open-loop operation, basically at full-throttle only (well, extremely heavy to full-throttle, to be technically correct). That yields a very poor result with little to no raw power gains, and what gains there are you get only when you run the vehicle extremely hard, not a result we'd have on any vehicle of ours. We test their products as well as everyone else's among the name chipmakers year after year, and they don't change, they do the same generic open-loop only tuning job they've always done.
The Superchip can easily be set up to run on both 87 octane and premium gas by using the 2-program Superchip Flip Chip, whose cost also includes any custom programming to correct your speedometer, odometer and in the automatics, the shift points as well for things like tire size and gear ratio changes, etc.
It really gets down to the actual quality of the *program*, not the type of device that delivers the performance program to the ECU; the hardware doesn't matter, it's the *software* that runs your vehicle, and that's what counts.
Give us a call if you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, & have a great weekend!
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for the great info. If I went with just a straight superchip to run on super can you still do the custom programing for the tire size? At those numbers I don't see too much savings going for the flip chip for a while when I'd probably just run in *performance* mode all the time anyway .
Thanks again,
Randy
Thanks for the great info. If I went with just a straight superchip to run on super can you still do the custom programing for the tire size? At those numbers I don't see too much savings going for the flip chip for a while when I'd probably just run in *performance* mode all the time anyway .
Thanks again,
Randy
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Hi Randyb,
That's an important point, and no, the single program Superchip does not include the cost of any custom programming, though we can easily do custom programming in that single program Superchip, there is an additional fee that will vary depending on what we have to do for each situation.
If you need anything like a speedo correction for tire size and/or gear ratio change for example, then by the time you ad the custom programming fee to the cost of the single program Superchip, for just a few $ more you could have the 2-program Flip Chip, and so because of that, most people go with the Flip Chip whenever they need custom programming/tuning. This is just due to the value-per-dollar factor and is strictly up to you, of course.
What you might want to do is to give us a quick call when you get a chance, and we can go over that in detail with you, so you can make the best choice for your situation & needs from a fully informed view.
That's an important point, and no, the single program Superchip does not include the cost of any custom programming, though we can easily do custom programming in that single program Superchip, there is an additional fee that will vary depending on what we have to do for each situation.
If you need anything like a speedo correction for tire size and/or gear ratio change for example, then by the time you ad the custom programming fee to the cost of the single program Superchip, for just a few $ more you could have the 2-program Flip Chip, and so because of that, most people go with the Flip Chip whenever they need custom programming/tuning. This is just due to the value-per-dollar factor and is strictly up to you, of course.
What you might want to do is to give us a quick call when you get a chance, and we can go over that in detail with you, so you can make the best choice for your situation & needs from a fully informed view.