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I was wondering what would be the pros and cons of the hyper tech programmer vs. buying a chip. Seem like they both do what i want and the programmer i can change whenver i want. Sounds easier than sending away for a re-burn every time i need one..especially if the re-burn is 70 or so bux. any ideas?
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From: Virginia
Hi Pennywise,
It's not nearly that simple, actually, though it would seem to be, on the surface. I agree with you in that it sure seems that both will do what you want, but in reality there is a world of difference in the actual software, the powertrain *program* that your ECU actually runs on, and the results those programs deliver.
The most important point here is not the type of device used to deliver the new powertrain perogram to the ECU, the issue is the actual tuning itself, meaning the quality of the program. The hardware is just a carrier for the program, the program is what runs the vehicle, and that's the most important part by far.
With Hypertech and most other chipmakers, you only get a generic program that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles. You also only get power gains during open-loop operation (extremely heavy to wide-open throttle only), which means that most of the time in normal driving, you see no benefit in power.
The Superchip is programmed for each individual vehicle's exact computer code (software revision in it's ECU), so you get a program made for *your* vehicle, not one that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles.
The Superchip also adds more horsepower and torque *all* the time, not just at full-throttle. With the Superchip you have more horsepower and torque at any throttle position, as well as at any rpm, and that is a *big* difference. This means the Superchip helps no matter how you drive your vehicle, whether you are towing a load or running it at the drag strip, compared to the Hypertech which adds less power, and what power it does add is only when you are driving the vehicle extremely hard.
The end result is that you gain more power with the Superchip, and you get that added power *all* the time, not just when you're driving it like you hate it.
These differences are not visible on the surface, so to speak, and the only way you find out about those differences is to do exactly what you have done, come here and ask those questions.
There is of course a difference in installation, with the Superchip you do have to do more work for the first-time installation; with the Hypertech unit, you connect it to the OBD-II port and upload the program in about 10-15 minutes. With the Superchip, it takes about 30 minutes to do the first-time installation. That aspect really doesn't matter much to me, it's just trivia really, as again, it's the *program* that counts.
The Superchip is the only aftermarket powertrain performance program product that is tuned for each vehicle according to it's individual computer code, that tunes the engine for maximum horsepower and torque all the time at any throttle position, and that is still 50-state emissions certified as well. No other chipmaker offers all of that, only Superchips. Of course, they are the people that basically invented this industry, as well as doing much work direclty for the automakers themselves, so they have experience & resources that no other chipmaker has.
You might want to take some time and read thru this section, reading posts from those who have installed the product and see what they have to say about it, there's plenty of good posts here on that.
And if you'd like to go over any of this or anything else performance-related, please give us a call & we'll be happy to.
Good luck with your truck,
It's not nearly that simple, actually, though it would seem to be, on the surface. I agree with you in that it sure seems that both will do what you want, but in reality there is a world of difference in the actual software, the powertrain *program* that your ECU actually runs on, and the results those programs deliver.
The most important point here is not the type of device used to deliver the new powertrain perogram to the ECU, the issue is the actual tuning itself, meaning the quality of the program. The hardware is just a carrier for the program, the program is what runs the vehicle, and that's the most important part by far.
With Hypertech and most other chipmakers, you only get a generic program that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles. You also only get power gains during open-loop operation (extremely heavy to wide-open throttle only), which means that most of the time in normal driving, you see no benefit in power.
The Superchip is programmed for each individual vehicle's exact computer code (software revision in it's ECU), so you get a program made for *your* vehicle, not one that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles.
The Superchip also adds more horsepower and torque *all* the time, not just at full-throttle. With the Superchip you have more horsepower and torque at any throttle position, as well as at any rpm, and that is a *big* difference. This means the Superchip helps no matter how you drive your vehicle, whether you are towing a load or running it at the drag strip, compared to the Hypertech which adds less power, and what power it does add is only when you are driving the vehicle extremely hard.
The end result is that you gain more power with the Superchip, and you get that added power *all* the time, not just when you're driving it like you hate it.
These differences are not visible on the surface, so to speak, and the only way you find out about those differences is to do exactly what you have done, come here and ask those questions.
There is of course a difference in installation, with the Superchip you do have to do more work for the first-time installation; with the Hypertech unit, you connect it to the OBD-II port and upload the program in about 10-15 minutes. With the Superchip, it takes about 30 minutes to do the first-time installation. That aspect really doesn't matter much to me, it's just trivia really, as again, it's the *program* that counts.
The Superchip is the only aftermarket powertrain performance program product that is tuned for each vehicle according to it's individual computer code, that tunes the engine for maximum horsepower and torque all the time at any throttle position, and that is still 50-state emissions certified as well. No other chipmaker offers all of that, only Superchips. Of course, they are the people that basically invented this industry, as well as doing much work direclty for the automakers themselves, so they have experience & resources that no other chipmaker has.
You might want to take some time and read thru this section, reading posts from those who have installed the product and see what they have to say about it, there's plenty of good posts here on that.
And if you'd like to go over any of this or anything else performance-related, please give us a call & we'll be happy to.
Good luck with your truck,
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When I was looking around on the superchips homepage i saw that they posted +23 HP for the Lincoln Navigator... Is this on a Stock engine or modified and would this gain be expected for All Navigators at different Elevations??? I am in Denver so I know the air is thinner,, would that effect the gain I might see ?
I posted earlier so sorry for posting all over the place, I am just reading about the chip!
Jon
I posted earlier so sorry for posting all over the place, I am just reading about the chip!
Jon
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From: Virginia
Hi Jon,
Not a problem, we're happy to provide your answers. In fact, the best thing to do would be to give us a call so we can go over all of that with you thoroughly.
Yes, those gains are on a stock engine, and like virtually all power ratings, are SAE Net at the flywheel, just like your vehicle's stock power rating is expressed, at sea level altitude. As you go up higher in altitude, you lose 3% of your power for each 1000 ft. above sea level altitude, so your total power will be less at your altitude, of course. However, the *percentage* of power gain from the Superchip remains a fairly constant 10% or so regardless of altitude, so you'll still see the benefits from the Superchip, the same 10%-12% power gain everyone else sees, the only difference is that your total power will be less due to your altitude. We have a number of custoerms at mile-high and even higher altitudes, and they're enjoying their Superchips like everyone else.
Again, the best thing to do is to give us a call when you get a chance, and we'll go over all of this with you, give you some exact numbers for various mods as well as stock power output at your exact altitude, etc.
Not a problem, we're happy to provide your answers. In fact, the best thing to do would be to give us a call so we can go over all of that with you thoroughly.
Yes, those gains are on a stock engine, and like virtually all power ratings, are SAE Net at the flywheel, just like your vehicle's stock power rating is expressed, at sea level altitude. As you go up higher in altitude, you lose 3% of your power for each 1000 ft. above sea level altitude, so your total power will be less at your altitude, of course. However, the *percentage* of power gain from the Superchip remains a fairly constant 10% or so regardless of altitude, so you'll still see the benefits from the Superchip, the same 10%-12% power gain everyone else sees, the only difference is that your total power will be less due to your altitude. We have a number of custoerms at mile-high and even higher altitudes, and they're enjoying their Superchips like everyone else.
Again, the best thing to do is to give us a call when you get a chance, and we'll go over all of this with you, give you some exact numbers for various mods as well as stock power output at your exact altitude, etc.