Power increase 231 HP 4.6
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Hi JMC,
Basically the same as all the other 4.6 F-150's rated at 220 hp, a maximum of 26 hp & 40 lbs./ft. of torque. The vast majority of the 4.6 F-150's fall in showing gains ranging from 23-26 horsepower, regardless of model year, from 1997 on up.
Basically the same as all the other 4.6 F-150's rated at 220 hp, a maximum of 26 hp & 40 lbs./ft. of torque. The vast majority of the 4.6 F-150's fall in showing gains ranging from 23-26 horsepower, regardless of model year, from 1997 on up.
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Mike,
Thanks for the prompt reply. My leas is up in a year so I have to start looking now. So with a chip that would put the 4.6 very close to the output of the 5.4.
The only problem I can see is the higher output 231hp is now at a higher rpm 4750 vs 4500. Torque is now at 3500 vs 3250. Can't decide between a 150 or a SD with V10 & 6 speed. Choices, choices, choices.
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Jean Marc Chartier
Thanks for the prompt reply. My leas is up in a year so I have to start looking now. So with a chip that would put the 4.6 very close to the output of the 5.4.
The only problem I can see is the higher output 231hp is now at a higher rpm 4750 vs 4500. Torque is now at 3500 vs 3250. Can't decide between a 150 or a SD with V10 & 6 speed. Choices, choices, choices.Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
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Hi JMC,
Ahh, I see.
One thing you might want to know is that we're not seeing those changes in where the torque or horsepower peaks. We're seeing torque peaks on the dyno right at 3300 rpm on any of these Triton 4.6 & 5.4's, and the horsepower is peaking anywhere from 4900 to as much as almost 5000 rpm.
Some Ford documentation says the V-8's torque peak is at a low 2500 rpm, which is of course wrong. I think there are just some simple typo's here and there in some of their docs, that's all.
They do list 4750 rpm as peak horsepower point for the Lightning as well as the regular 4.6 & 5.4 SOHC motors, and that's a bit low, though perhaps with no modifications at all, in bone stock condition, that might be the case with some of them. Usually we'll see most vehicles using an airbox kit & a cat-back exhaust along with the Superchip, and in that configuration, the horsepower peak moves up a bit, to the 4900-5000 rpm range, perfectly normal. Horsepower at 4750 doesn't drop with those mods, it goes up there as well, it's just that the absolute highest horsepower will come in about 4900-5000 or so with an intake, exhaust, and the Superchip in place.
Knowing you and your love for manual trannys & horsepower, I see a 6-speed V-10 in your future.
So far, your past late-model F-150's have all been 4.6 manuals, if memory serves, so there's always the 5.4 F-150 if you can tolerate an automatic (I know that's probably close to blasphemy for you, running on the dunes), or the F-250 for a 5.4 with a 5-speed. Then come the V-10's & PSD's.
If you're a real torque fanatic, get into a PSD & have us crank it up to about 750 lbs./ft. for you.
Good luck in your decision,
Ahh, I see.
One thing you might want to know is that we're not seeing those changes in where the torque or horsepower peaks. We're seeing torque peaks on the dyno right at 3300 rpm on any of these Triton 4.6 & 5.4's, and the horsepower is peaking anywhere from 4900 to as much as almost 5000 rpm.
Some Ford documentation says the V-8's torque peak is at a low 2500 rpm, which is of course wrong. I think there are just some simple typo's here and there in some of their docs, that's all.
They do list 4750 rpm as peak horsepower point for the Lightning as well as the regular 4.6 & 5.4 SOHC motors, and that's a bit low, though perhaps with no modifications at all, in bone stock condition, that might be the case with some of them. Usually we'll see most vehicles using an airbox kit & a cat-back exhaust along with the Superchip, and in that configuration, the horsepower peak moves up a bit, to the 4900-5000 rpm range, perfectly normal. Horsepower at 4750 doesn't drop with those mods, it goes up there as well, it's just that the absolute highest horsepower will come in about 4900-5000 or so with an intake, exhaust, and the Superchip in place.
Knowing you and your love for manual trannys & horsepower, I see a 6-speed V-10 in your future.
So far, your past late-model F-150's have all been 4.6 manuals, if memory serves, so there's always the 5.4 F-150 if you can tolerate an automatic (I know that's probably close to blasphemy for you, running on the dunes), or the F-250 for a 5.4 with a 5-speed. Then come the V-10's & PSD's.
If you're a real torque fanatic, get into a PSD & have us crank it up to about 750 lbs./ft. for you.
Good luck in your decision,
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Originally posted by Superchips_Distributor
We're seeing torque peaks on the dyno right at 3300 rpm on any of these Triton 4.6 & 5.4's, and the horsepower is peaking anywhere from 4900 to as much as almost 5000 rpm.
We're seeing torque peaks on the dyno right at 3300 rpm on any of these Triton 4.6 & 5.4's, and the horsepower is peaking anywhere from 4900 to as much as almost 5000 rpm.
Thanks.
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Dyno runs for Valkyrie with 6 degree advance timing
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Dyno runs for a blown Valkyrie.
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hahahaha.. Beastrider, that's My VALK dyno you showed... hahahah
nice to see fellow Valk riders here in F150 land...
Anyway, I am looking HARD at that superchip, and really thinking that the FlipChip will do me best on my 5.4L 01 SCREW....
Man, I really like toying with this Screw almost as much as tweaking the valkyrie...
I have already done the Borla Catback SI/DO and will do the combined chip/AF-1 FIPK next.... just need the $$$$, and may have to wait since both the Wife and I will be returning to school from Nov thru Feb... may have to wait till afterwards ( she's about to Flip off her boss and tell em to shove it and we MAY have to live off a single income for a couple months...grin...)...
Question to Mike T: where do I find the engine code so that I may have it when I call you...???
Thanks, Mosa
Anyway, I am looking HARD at that superchip, and really thinking that the FlipChip will do me best on my 5.4L 01 SCREW....
Man, I really like toying with this Screw almost as much as tweaking the valkyrie...
I have already done the Borla Catback SI/DO and will do the combined chip/AF-1 FIPK next.... just need the $$$$, and may have to wait since both the Wife and I will be returning to school from Nov thru Feb... may have to wait till afterwards ( she's about to Flip off her boss and tell em to shove it and we MAY have to live off a single income for a couple months...grin...)...
Question to Mike T: where do I find the engine code so that I may have it when I call you...???
Thanks, Mosa
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Mike,
"If you're a real torque fanatic, get into a PSD & have us crank it up to about 750 lbs./ft. for you" Now that sounds tempting.
Add propane and I will be able to push the Dunes!
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
"If you're a real torque fanatic, get into a PSD & have us crank it up to about 750 lbs./ft. for you" Now that sounds tempting.
Add propane and I will be able to push the Dunes!Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
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Re: hahahaha.. Beastrider, that's My VALK dyno you showed... hahahah
Originally posted by Mosa
nice to see fellow Valk riders here in F150 land...
nice to see fellow Valk riders here in F150 land...
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Hi Beastrider,
That's one thing we don't even try to do with the 14,000+ Superchips applications, is keep the Superchips dyno plots on hand here at Performance. Rarely will youy ever find anyone but the manufacturer with those plots, and many times the manufacturers don't keep 'em for long after project R&D is finished, etc. We'll get them if we're involved in a specific project for one of our customers or one of our vehicles, but otherwise, I really don't want them, the storage requirements alone are a nightmare. We used to try to keep some for more popular models, and then got flak because we didn't try to have them all, and so for some time now we leave that up to the manufacturer, that's their job.
The basic "shape" of the torque curve is amazingly flat *considering* that they're overhead cam engines; they aren't GM LT1-flat of course. Ford's done a heck of a job with camshaft profiling & intake design to get these 'cammers producing the torque they do. The torque falls off rapidly after about 4600 rpm, while the horsepower starts dropping off (normally aspirated) just after 5000 rpm, and then takes a nosedive after 5400.
The torque curves aren't as flat as say, an LT1 Corvette motor, but then, they're cammers.
We had asked Superchips to give us a couple of current dyno plots for the F-150 awhile back, and they've been having some work done to their dyno setup. After that was completed and the next bone F-150 came in so they can do a straight before & after on a bone-stocker, they're supposed to get us a set of plots. There was just recently some additional dyno work done on a 2001 5.4 SVB2-code truck that gave us some more power, and I just spoke with one of my contacts there about that vehicle. He thinks they may have gotten a good before & after set of plots on that one, including the final tune, he's going to check to actually verify that and get back to me. If so, they're going to try to get that to me in a useable format, so I don't have to scan in a fax (which is how we usually get any charts on work we're involved in). I should know on that shortly.
That's one thing we don't even try to do with the 14,000+ Superchips applications, is keep the Superchips dyno plots on hand here at Performance. Rarely will youy ever find anyone but the manufacturer with those plots, and many times the manufacturers don't keep 'em for long after project R&D is finished, etc. We'll get them if we're involved in a specific project for one of our customers or one of our vehicles, but otherwise, I really don't want them, the storage requirements alone are a nightmare. We used to try to keep some for more popular models, and then got flak because we didn't try to have them all, and so for some time now we leave that up to the manufacturer, that's their job.
The basic "shape" of the torque curve is amazingly flat *considering* that they're overhead cam engines; they aren't GM LT1-flat of course.
Ford's done a heck of a job with camshaft profiling & intake design to get these 'cammers producing the torque they do. The torque falls off rapidly after about 4600 rpm, while the horsepower starts dropping off (normally aspirated) just after 5000 rpm, and then takes a nosedive after 5400.The torque curves aren't as flat as say, an LT1 Corvette motor, but then, they're cammers.
We had asked Superchips to give us a couple of current dyno plots for the F-150 awhile back, and they've been having some work done to their dyno setup. After that was completed and the next bone F-150 came in so they can do a straight before & after on a bone-stocker, they're supposed to get us a set of plots. There was just recently some additional dyno work done on a 2001 5.4 SVB2-code truck that gave us some more power, and I just spoke with one of my contacts there about that vehicle. He thinks they may have gotten a good before & after set of plots on that one, including the final tune, he's going to check to actually verify that and get back to me. If so, they're going to try to get that to me in a useable format, so I don't have to scan in a fax (which is how we usually get any charts on work we're involved in). I should know on that shortly.
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Hi Mosa,
Sure. To find your computer code, go to the passenger side of the vehicle, open the front passenger door, and then look in the front part of the door frame, in the area of the door hinges. There you should see a white sticker that has 3 letters and 1 number on it, and that is your computer code. Let me know if you have any trouble finding it.
Sure. To find your computer code, go to the passenger side of the vehicle, open the front passenger door, and then look in the front part of the door frame, in the area of the door hinges. There you should see a white sticker that has 3 letters and 1 number on it, and that is your computer code. Let me know if you have any trouble finding it.
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Hey Superchips...
I don't want to see 14,000 dyno runs... I'd like to see a stock 5.4L dyno run..it would be nice to see a dyno run with the SuperChip as well... also... a non chipped 4.6 plus a chipped 4.6 would be great. Here's hoping you can get 4 runs posted on this board.
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Hi Fast,
There is no real difference, the tuning is exactly the same, the only real difference is the placement of certain functions like limiters, various maps, etc. Either code works equally well, neither code has any advantage on the other, and you'll never tell any difference in driving a vehicle with either of those codes, nor with any other code, for that matter. Different codes generally do not affect power output.
There is no real difference, the tuning is exactly the same, the only real difference is the placement of certain functions like limiters, various maps, etc. Either code works equally well, neither code has any advantage on the other, and you'll never tell any difference in driving a vehicle with either of those codes, nor with any other code, for that matter. Different codes generally do not affect power output.
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Hi Beastrider,
Everybody says that exact same thing, they don't care about 14,000, just theirs, and so there we go back in the exact same circle again. So it's not going to change, we're not going to try to store & be a source for all those manufacturer dyno plots for the standard performance programs. The only time we're going to generally get dyno plots is as I mentioend before, in the custom projects that we are directly involved in, we're not going to start trying to keep on hand all the various before & after plots for the standard performance programs, as it would take a small company just to keep up with them.
I did just get the plot faxed over from the SVB2 that was just done, but it's not going to be posted or released to anyone, as it's not a before & after between bone-stock and then chipped as I had hoped, they didn't save that plot. It's a simple overlay that compares the previous Superchip SVB2 application to the new one from the additional dyno work, showing the additional 8-10 hp gain over the previous Superchip program for that code.
Everybody says that exact same thing, they don't care about 14,000, just theirs, and so there we go back in the exact same circle again. So it's not going to change, we're not going to try to store & be a source for all those manufacturer dyno plots for the standard performance programs. The only time we're going to generally get dyno plots is as I mentioend before, in the custom projects that we are directly involved in, we're not going to start trying to keep on hand all the various before & after plots for the standard performance programs, as it would take a small company just to keep up with them.
I did just get the plot faxed over from the SVB2 that was just done, but it's not going to be posted or released to anyone, as it's not a before & after between bone-stock and then chipped as I had hoped, they didn't save that plot. It's a simple overlay that compares the previous Superchip SVB2 application to the new one from the additional dyno work, showing the additional 8-10 hp gain over the previous Superchip program for that code.