So I saw on hotrod TV that the superchips tuner increases torque on the 3.5 ecoboost 73 ft lbs?? That's pretty impressive.

I have a 2015 expedition now and though about doing this just for the hell of it. This is the family hauler and I don't plan to hop it up or anything but if it also increases MPG it would be a win win.

If anyone has some personal experience with some canned tunes that don't negatively affect drivability for "Momma" I'd like to hear them.

Mainly, good effects on MPG would be great to hear and make me buy one.
I'm averaging 16.X mpg now.

This would be my only "mod" to this thing.

Thanks,

 

To start with IMHO, going with a mail order tune is really no different than your grandparents taking their car to "Tune-Masters" for a tune-up......yes, they did change the plugs etc, but they were not there to fine tune the car just find the middle of the road where the car runs and get it out of the shop. Mail order tuners are no different...anyone who claims they can tune your car without ever seeing it is selling camel poop- period! They cannot tune your engine without seeing the data specific to altitude, humidity & fuel burning characteristics- just because you use 93 octane does not mean the 93 octane they used on their dyno (tuners) has the same burning characteristics...nor do they typically address the seasonal fuel blends for each region of the US.

With regards to “Tuners”, years ago it was the best that most could do to enhance the ignition timing, fuel curve, transmission shift points, etc. It is important to verify the “Tuner” is ASE certified in ECM & Trans programming & current. Plenty of persons advertise their programs to be the best & offer custom tunes, but very few have credentials in these areas. Some of these “geniuses” have caused damage to a few vehicles- just jump over to flatratetech.com & read comments from the MSE techs!

Roush Dyno Tune Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html

Frustrated with bama performace
Posted 3/16/14 by Wolfmanron
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post6028497

Bama Tune Issues
Posted 1/13/15
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ne-issues.html

“Now my car accelerates without my foot on the pedal. This scared the crap out of me”

Posted 10/6/16
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post8608793

“Running Bama's 91 tune (w/BBK CAI) for the last month and have had issues starting……when turn the ignition my car would click and the power intermittently cuts in/out, but would eventually start. I usually keep my odometer on the trip odometer, but whenever I start it reverts back to the total mileage odometer…..my fuel gauge was acting a little erratic, so I decided to revert back to stock and try re-uploading the 91R tune. After reverting back to stock, I couldn't get it to start.”

BullyDog Tuner
Posted 2/4/13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...l#post12796183

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...sports.777509/
Black Stampede, Jul 22, 2008

Perhaps what is equally important is the parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway. If you look at the dyno charts from many of these supposed HP/TQ increases, they are typically around 5%-7% at peak rpm ranges…….guess what, 5% is a standard deviation even amongst mfg dynos and if you go to this link http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...ceTechTips.pdf the engineers at Ford racing have a article on just exactly how these “tuners” play games with the hp/tq ratings, how calibration can cause misleading dyno results, & some of the “tricks” that are used to gain supposed power increases when in fact, mis-managing your engine.....and the most important item is……these "mail order tuners' are not regulated like any other auto repair shop in the US...so if they "damage" your car...gee, sorry...sue me!
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck!

If you are comfortable and understand how to tune a vehicle, you can also do this yourself. There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners, they have a website….they offer two core programs, one for those who are doing dyno tuning and one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin)

If you are dead set on a mail order tune, the only one I would recommend is Blue Oval Chips...the gent is a Ford MSE (PCM/Trans) and has been around for decades (20+)

 

The reputable custom mail order tuning shops will have you do datalogging and they will adjust your tune accordingly.

All those shops that Beechkid linked are not ones that are recommended around here. King Ranch Coy has 2 sets of tunes for his Ecoboost and is very pleased with them. I'm too lazy to search and find out who he used - maybe MPT and 5 Star? This will be with a SCT device, not a Superchips.

I seem to remember that Livernois does a lot of Ecoboost work too.

NOTE - you do NOT want canned tunes - if you are going to do it, do it right and go custom with a reputable shop that has plenty of Ecoboost experience.

 

GLC is right, with these EB's you want a custom tune. Don't screw with Superchips. My suggestion is MPT and 5 star with a SCT Programmer. I use the X4 but they also have the livewire

I have 70k miles on my truck and 63k of those miles are tuned running both companies. Get a custom tune, do a few datalogs send to your tuner and you will know how the engine is reacting to the tune. If there needs to be a tweak or adjustment they will email you a revision.

 

Well that escalated quickly! I know all about canned tunes. They serve their purpose. I had one on my F150 and it was OK. I was just wondering how they were on these ecoboosts. I don't plan on modding my Expedition. I went really far on my F150 at the time and I've went all out on my LS car. Trust me, I get it. I was just asking about the canned tunes on the ecoboost and experience on that specifically. I fully understand that custom tunes are better. But that's a step I'm not wanting to take on this family ride.

 

Have the superchips tuners went downhill? When I was a rookie with my F150 the superchips tuner did a decent job.

 

If you don't want custom tunes, don't tune at all. They aren't that expensive.

 

I agree with above ^^^^^^^

Considering the high boost levels (12 psi) as compared to typical aftermarket systems (6-8 psi), this leaves a lot of reliance on the systems to work correctly…as this makes the engine much less forgiving especially with engine mis-fires, etc. which are very prone to burning a hole through a piston (if you are lucky) or even worse, causing substantial catastrophic engine failure (rod through the block)....in short, IMHO, no mail order tuner can tune your vehicle properly.........and the most important item is……these "mail order tuners' are not regulated like any other auto repair shop in the US...so if they "damage" your car...gee, sorry...sue me!
IMHO, if you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. IMHO, the best bang for the buck!

 

With Coy's experience, I'd recommend custom mail order tunes from MPT and/or 5 Star. They should be initially conservative enough to avoid damage, and with datalogging can be adjusted to be more optimum. Dyno runs aren't really necessary but if you want the best with spare no expense, of course that's the best.

 

Why do you not want to go the custom tune route? I'm not talking about a 75 hp and 140 ft lb perf tune. Contact 5 star tell em what you want and let them build you the tune. Atleast this tune will be for your vehicle and you will know the tune is right. For me personally taking the extra 20 mins to do 1 datalog to make sure everything is spot on is well worth the Hassel compared to a generic tune from super chips.

Otherwise keep it stock. I would not trust a canned tune on a EB. To many variables

I have my big performance tune and I'm hitting about 5.1 seconds 0 to 60 and running 13.1 in the quarter. I also have the mild tunes that give the truck better throttle response and about 1 to 1.5 mpg increase over stock.

 

Oh my goodness, I must have been dreaming in those days cause my camel poop mail order tune from M.Troyer took my 2003 Cobra from running 12.80's to turning a very respectable 11.65 at 122mph. Yeah, it was a camel poop mail order tune (LMAO)!!

 

Troyer tunes were EXCELLENT. Sadly, he is no longer in business.

 

with the exception of Mike & Anita......of course.....the remainder of the tuners are IMHO......"tune-Masters" equivalent.....and here's just a handful of many, many examples...

Roush Dyno Tune Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html

Frustrated with bama performace
Posted 3/16/14 by Wolfmanron
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post6028497

Bama Tune Issues
Posted 1/13/15
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ne-issues.html

“Now my car accelerates without my foot on the pedal. This scared the crap out of me”

Posted 10/6/16
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ml#post8608793

“Running Bama's 91 tune (w/BBK CAI) for the last month and have had issues starting……when turn the ignition my car would click and the power intermittently cuts in/out, but would eventually start. I usually keep my odometer on the trip odometer, but whenever I start it reverts back to the total mileage odometer…..my fuel gauge was acting a little erratic, so I decided to revert back to stock and try re-uploading the 91R tune. After reverting back to stock, I couldn't get it to start.”

BullyDog Tuner
Posted 2/4/13
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/12...l#post12796183

http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...sports.777509/
Black Stampede, Jul 22, 2008

 

Like I said before, none of those links are for tuning houses that are recommended around here! You are cherry picking - Bama and Bully Dog have never been recommended around here.

Beechkid - can you find anything negative out there about MPT or 5 Star ECOBOOST tuning? Why did you repost your whole post that I already took issue with? You gotta come up with something better than that and not be repetitive.

 

[QUOTEOh my goodness, I must have been dreaming in those days cause my camel poop mail order tune from M.Troyer took my 2003 Cobra from running 12.80's to turning a very respectable 11.65 at 122mph. Yeah, it was a camel poop mail order tune (LMAO)!!
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are you saying that you from a stock 12.80 to a 11.65 with a tune only?

no drag radial, no pulley change, no cia ?