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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 12:27 PM
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Interesting Issue

Originally Posted by MI02SVT
I have the same thing my 87 performance tune surges and when i put it in park the truck high idles for a few seconds then returns to normal. If i put it on the tow tune i got from them that all goes away but it feels different in the shifting and the power feels different truck is always down shifting to get goin.

I honestly think some tunes they take more time on and others they rush through. I waited over 6 months for my tunes and only when i threw a big fit and told them i wanted my money back is when i got my tunes. overall not very impressed thinking about just doin a dyno tune myself just so i dont have to deal with problems like this.
I have an acquaintance that purchased the edge CTS for his 2010 F150. His truck has the 4.6L 3V. I know of others that have the SCT and Edge tuners for their 2009 and 2010 5.4L. What i have noticed from these posts and others is that some of the issues are the same across the board no matter which tuner you have, Edge, SCT, Gryphon, or Diablo. The points I have read are as follows:
  • Engine redlines for a prolonged period of time before shifting
  • Odd shifting behaviors
  • Idle issues and throttle response issues such as delayed pedal return and/or rpm reduction

2009 and 2010 were the first years to get the 6spd auto. I am curious if it these issues are directly related to the actual programming of these specific year model calibrations.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by malexander52
I don't know that the tuner will actually void your warranty. It seems that different folks have heard different things. I just sold my 2007 lariat with 5.4L and 3.73 rear. I was running the Diablo 89 performance tune. I also had a stage 2 transmission installed as well. The tune was a night and day difference with regards to throttle response. The truck pulled very strong to the limiter in every gear. Gas mileage was in no way adversely affected (until I put my foot in it). I now have a 2012 FX2 with the 5.0 and a 3.31 rear end. The 2012 FX2 will smoke the 2007 all day long in stock form. Its amazing how well the transmission shifts and how well the engine pulls to the limiter in each gear. I drove it in manual mode for the first time yesterday and the shifts weren't half bad! I would like a tuner to eliminate the drive by wire lag off the line and maybe reduce some of the torque management. I have read many articles and watched numerous videos on 5.0's that have been tuned by both Livernois and SCT. I have not seen any of the diablo tuning results. Regardless this new motor is fantastic. Try the tuner. Will it deliver the same gains or delivery over stock as it did in the 5.4? I really don't know. Again these new motors are so different. The stock 2012s with the 6spd are just so much more responsive. I am waiting until Christmas to get my tuner. I have 1650 miles on the truck right now.
Custom Tuners- Reprogramming Detection- Be aware!

http://www.flatratetech.com/communit...ne#entry220469
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:30 AM
Fullsizeblazin “They most definitely can! Once they pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS all your dirty little secrets will be revealed and your warranty will be promptly voided.”
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by malexander52
I have an acquaintance that purchased the edge CTS for his 2010 F150. His truck has the 4.6L 3V. I know of others that have the SCT and Edge tuners for their 2009 and 2010 5.4L. What i have noticed from these posts and others is that some of the issues are the same across the board no matter which tuner you have, Edge, SCT, Gryphon, or Diablo. The points I have read are as follows:
  • Engine redlines for a prolonged period of time before shifting
  • Odd shifting behaviors
  • Idle issues and throttle response issues such as delayed pedal return and/or rpm reduction

2009 and 2010 were the first years to get the 6spd auto. I am curious if it these issues are directly related to the actual programming of these specific year model calibrations.
IMHO, There are plenty of persons who advertise their programs to be the best and even offer custom tunes, but in all reality, very few actually have credentials in these areas (in terms of OE certification)- but that’s not to say that some of these “geniuses” haven’t really caused damage to a few vehicles- just jump over to flatratetech.com and read just some of the comments from the MSE techs!
and even some of the "Cool Expert Shops" such as Roush, have really damaged vehicles beyond what anyone could consider reasonable.....
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
The parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway.

If you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less than one of these "Custom Tunes") will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle.....for anyone to even imply they can "create an effective or custom tune" for your vehicle without physically seeing it (including by use of remote data logging) is nothing more than selling snake oil..but of course these guys can "get away with it" because the way they do business, they are not subject to inspection or enforcement of the Standards for Automotive Repair that every state has......think carefully about that one........The experts who are going to provide a "Custom Tune" or an "Enhanced performance Tune" for your specific vehicle does not have to comply with any of the most basic automotive regulations that even "Quick Lube" centers have to..................and I know I don't have to say a word about them.

If you are comfortable and understand how to tune a vehicle, you can also do this yourself. There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners, they have a website….they offer two core programs, one for those who are doing dyno tuning and one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin).
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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That tech sounds like he knows his stuff. My point exactly about the dyno tune.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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Thanks for the info

I do think there are major differences between natrually aspirated motors and a forced fed truck
I doubt there are too many tunes that ride the edge with a basically stock 5.0 and even so the knock sensors are going to pull timming out with or without a specific tune and grade of fuel your running regaurdless of tune

now a forced fed the knock sensors dont work as well in my opinion the motors make so much noise (blower/turbo) and you can really ride the edge and go kaboom

I have seen it all to well back in the lightning days slap on a 8lb pulley + tune ride a low A/F ratio one little mishap and rod making a nice oil drain in your block for you

that and common sense, not some tool who adds crazy tune or some giggle gas and breaks something and expects a dealer to cover, you wanna play you gotta pay
**** if your truck is 100% safe but you run 100 1/4miles passes its not if its gonna break its when but some people think 3yr/36k can be added up @ 1/4 mile a time or blasting through the woods/dunes etc

I will look into this somemore before I jump in and probabbly call Jim @ JDM in NJ they did alot for my Lightining and see that they tune/build up quite a few Raptors ontop of all the stangs they do
I am sure they have some tunes for us and know they have a dynojet if thats the road I take
I am also sure there are pleanty of JDM trucks on this site if they even tune regular F150's
I was just poking around for others experiences and see who's the goto place now that its 2012
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 02:01 PM
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Great Responses!!

Originally Posted by beechkid
Custom Tuners- Reprogramming Detection- Be aware!

http://www.flatratetech.com/communit...ne#entry220469
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:30 AM
Fullsizeblazin “They most definitely can! Once they pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS all your dirty little secrets will be revealed and your warranty will be promptly voided.”
Thanks beechkid for posting the link and the follow up post you made below! Excellent remarks and references made that everyone needs to be aware of when trying to mod their rides. with regards to who has the best tuner, you hit the nail on the head again and it comes down to "buyer beware!". Again, really great posts you had here today, and I look forward to seeing more in the future!
 
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Old Oct 2, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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Livernois motorsports is only charging $550 for a dyno tune. So far I've spent $475 on custom mail order tunes (which have been amazing). Knowing what I know now I would have just driven down to Livernois and got'er dialed in.

Your washoooooooooooobi intake is probably making you lean so get'er tuned sooner than later!

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2012 | 11:34 AM
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Just for reference:

(Includes the hardware)

X3 Tuning Package……………………………..$499



Livewire Tuning Package……………..$599

Tuning Packages include:

Either tuner listed above

Custom tuning

Dyno-time

Flat rate, this protects you. We so confident in our tuning ability we don’t charge by the hour for the initial tuning session. We’ll tune the car until you’re satisfied.
http://performance-dyno.com/Cars/Fordtrucks.html


This is about the same as getting a Gryphon or other custom tunes. Love the gauges on the Gryphon though.
 
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