AWD tuners
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AWD tuners
Does anyone have experience with any of the popular tuners being run on the 2008 AWD Limited or AWD Harley edition f150s? I'm curious about the transmission shift points and how all the electronic traction control systems will be impacted with the AWD transfer case. Definitely want to get more power out of this truck.
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I have tunes for my STA AWD and I love each one of them....i got them through PHP and vmptuning and downloaded them to my sct sf3.....I can't remember though if by using the programmer or by having the tunes written for traction control to be off....
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Does anyone have experience with any of the popular tuners being run on the 2008 AWD Limited or AWD Harley edition f150s? I'm curious about the transmission shift points and how all the electronic traction control systems will be impacted with the AWD transfer case. Definitely want to get more power out of this truck.
Roush Dyno Tune
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. .... Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost. Said to bring it back. Never did since I had no confidence in them...............may be coincidence but I have not been able to drive it anywhere since I took it to Roush in May. Pro Dyno is supposed to be the best and they are baffled. Only way they could get it to idle correctly was to disconnect IAC. I need help. I am totally disgusted."
Or the warranty issue side and the fact that no matter what anyone tells you ANY OEM at the dealer level can identify & determine that reprogramming has occured & specifically what that was and when it occurred. This is done by pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS.
The parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway and the OEM software system is designed to adjust the fuel mixture up to 25% so literally most of the common mods that one may do the ECM can more than adjust to.
PR materials from most of these "expert tuners" are just that- PR.....do not let any tell you 1) you can tune a vehicle without providing an interface connection to the vehicle so you can see exactly what is going on and 2) do not buy anything on face value as these "tuners" are not held to the same standards & enforcement as any repair garage in the US....
If you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. . There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners….they offer one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin).
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Years ago it was the best that most could do to enhance the ignition timing, fuel curve, transmission shift points, etc. It was (and still is) very important that a person verifies that the “Tuner” is ASE certified in both ECM and Transmission programming and IMHO be have current certification by the OEM whose vehicle you want to modify. There are plenty of persons who advertise their programs to be the best and even offer custom tunes, but in all reality, very few actually have credentials in these areas- but that’s not to say that some of these “geniuses” haven’t really caused damage to a few vehicles- just jump over to flatratetech.com and read just some of the comments from the MSE techs! or check out this.....
Roush Dyno Tune
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. .... Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost. Said to bring it back. Never did since I had no confidence in them...............may be coincidence but I have not been able to drive it anywhere since I took it to Roush in May. Pro Dyno is supposed to be the best and they are baffled. Only way they could get it to idle correctly was to disconnect IAC. I need help. I am totally disgusted."
Or the warranty issue side and the fact that no matter what anyone tells you ANY OEM at the dealer level can identify & determine that reprogramming has occured & specifically what that was and when it occurred. This is done by pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS.
The parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway and the OEM software system is designed to adjust the fuel mixture up to 25% so literally most of the common mods that one may do the ECM can more than adjust to.
PR materials from most of these "expert tuners" are just that- PR.....do not let any tell you 1) you can tune a vehicle without providing an interface connection to the vehicle so you can see exactly what is going on and 2) do not buy anything on face value as these "tuners" are not held to the same standards & enforcement as any repair garage in the US....
If you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. . There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners….they offer one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin).
Roush Dyno Tune
Posted August 26, 2012
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...need-help.html
"Got my engine build finished in May. Ran great. Took it to Roush Racing for a tune. It is a 93, efi, 302 with several upgrades. Went to get it from Roush and the water hose had blown and torn up my brand new hood I just had painted. .... Drove the car home and it would not start the next day. Finally found the adapter between the TPS and painless harness was missing. Fixed that. It would not idle consistently. Took it back to Roush. They said it was fixed. Went less than 1/2 mile and it was idling at 2500 rpm. Took it back. They were lost. Said to bring it back. Never did since I had no confidence in them...............may be coincidence but I have not been able to drive it anywhere since I took it to Roush in May. Pro Dyno is supposed to be the best and they are baffled. Only way they could get it to idle correctly was to disconnect IAC. I need help. I am totally disgusted."
Or the warranty issue side and the fact that no matter what anyone tells you ANY OEM at the dealer level can identify & determine that reprogramming has occured & specifically what that was and when it occurred. This is done by pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS.
The parameters that can be adjusted are set by the OEM vehicle software…so there is really no “magic” in what they are doing anyway and the OEM software system is designed to adjust the fuel mixture up to 25% so literally most of the common mods that one may do the ECM can more than adjust to.
PR materials from most of these "expert tuners" are just that- PR.....do not let any tell you 1) you can tune a vehicle without providing an interface connection to the vehicle so you can see exactly what is going on and 2) do not buy anything on face value as these "tuners" are not held to the same standards & enforcement as any repair garage in the US....
If you live near any major city there are excellent tuning specialists with dynos who for the same price (if not less) will tune your vehicle taking into consideration your specific needs including environmental conditions, for your specific vehicle. . There are several software programs available, that “Speak Common English” that will allow you to tune your vehicles ECM. One company is HP Tuners….they offer one for the home-garage mechanic (which is priced at about the same as most of the “canned tunes on the market) …this version limits the span of adjustments as a safeguard against doing something outside of the oem scope……basically, keeps you from doing something “too stupid by accident” (grin).
1. Most tuners only have 2wd dynos......
2. Only a few tuners know how to make the AWD 2wd for a 2wd dyno
3. If the OP does find a tuner with an AWD dyno be prepared to shell out the cash....it could possibly be quadruple the price of a programmer with three tunes....
4. If a tuner only has a 2wd dyno they might only offer to write a base tune and datalog it....only tweeking it from there at an hourly rate plus the OP's gas.....