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Hi MPG32,
The results really vary quite a bit depending on exactly which intake and which of our tunes you are using at the time, but I'll try to give you some general ideas, OK?
On a 2007 5.4 3V, with the 3.5" Air Force One intake kit, our 93 octane performance tuning, and a good cat-back exhaust system, typically we see about (and this varies depending on fuel quality and the exact wheels & tires on the truck) roughly anywhere from a low of 246 RWHP to a high of about 265 RWHP in terms of the power level the truck ends up at. (RWHP -= Rear Wheel Horsepower)
Now keep in mind that this is at the rear wheels, and in STOCK trim from the factory, these 2004 & newer 5.4 3V F-150 trucks average in the 202-207 RWHP range - so that is quite a gain over stock.
This shocks a lot of people who will say wait, my 5.4 3V truck is 300 HP stock - yes it is, give or take, but that is at the FLYWHEEL, not at the rear wheels - your drive line losses even with stock factory 17" or 18" wheels & tires runs upward of 100 HP, so they put down, on an accurate dyno, about 202-207 RWHP stock.
Also keep in mind that any time you install a wheel or tire that is heavier than stock, that will INCREASE the driveline loss, and thus DECREASE the final amount of power that gets to the ground as a result - taller tires alone really don't decrease power just because they are taller (though that DOES reduce torque multiplication and that of course hurts performance) - what actually costs raw horsepower in this regard is increasing the WEIGHT of the rotating mass of the wheels & tires - I mention that just because another poster made a comment in this regard, so this is just FYI.
This means that a truck with factory 18" wheels & tires is going to lay down more power than that very same truck if someone put 20" or 22" wheels on it with say, 35" tires.
However, the PERCENTAGE of power gain we are going to make is still the same, so these mods are ALWAYS worthwhile, and always rank at the top of the bang for the buck list.
So in terms of how much power will you GAIN using the 3.5" Air Force One and our custom tuning for premium gas, that varies anywhere from roughly a low of about 30 at the tires to as much as well over 50 RWHP - but I like to tell people to think of it more in terms of roughly about 35-40 RWHP, and anything more than that is icing on the cake, so to speak. Also, there are some areas in the power curve where the power gains are larger than they are at the peak, so that is another factor to remember - in other words, try not to think just in terms of how much increase in PEAK power you will see, what matters far more is the increase in AVERAGE power across the power band, as that is what really determines how well the vehicle performs, how quickly it will accelerate, etc.
Now on an 87 octane tune, figure that the truck is going to gain a bit less, that usually average out to be anywhere from about 25 to as much as 38 RWHP for those modifications on a 2007 model, on average.
Again, remember the actual amount of improvement in things like your part-throttle torque, and the acceleration times, like your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, will be significantly better than what those numbers would suggest, because there are many other aspects of the powertrain calibration that affect the vehicle's ability to gain velocity ( to accelerate), or to pull a trailer, etc. in addition to just raw horsepower.
Now it's not going to feel like a supercharger of course, but the mods I am talking about, our Troyer Performance custom tuning, the Air Force One intake kit (preferably the 3.5" version), and then a good cat-back exhaust (we prefer Magnaflow or MBRP, but the Corsa will certainly work and sound good) represent the Top 3 best bang-for-the-buck mods in terms of actual performance gained per dollar spent - so you are on the basic right track.
One last point for those who live our west where the premium fuels are 91 octane instead of 93 like we get here in the east - there is not a BIG difference between 91 octane fuels and 93 octane fuels in terms of power gain - figure that it runs about 3 to maybe 5 HP on average, so it's not like running 91 instead of 93 is really going to "hurt" your performance significantly, it's not - it's still going to be better than it is on 87 octane, and by enough that most people use their higher octane tunes, as usually the fuel mileage goes up just about enough to cover the roughly 20 cent per gallon average delta between regular & premium for most people - when they can keep their foot out of the firewall.
Thanks for your post, please feel free to give us a call to go over any of this in more detail, & we hope to work with you!
Best of luck with your truck,
The results really vary quite a bit depending on exactly which intake and which of our tunes you are using at the time, but I'll try to give you some general ideas, OK?
On a 2007 5.4 3V, with the 3.5" Air Force One intake kit, our 93 octane performance tuning, and a good cat-back exhaust system, typically we see about (and this varies depending on fuel quality and the exact wheels & tires on the truck) roughly anywhere from a low of 246 RWHP to a high of about 265 RWHP in terms of the power level the truck ends up at. (RWHP -= Rear Wheel Horsepower)
Now keep in mind that this is at the rear wheels, and in STOCK trim from the factory, these 2004 & newer 5.4 3V F-150 trucks average in the 202-207 RWHP range - so that is quite a gain over stock.
This shocks a lot of people who will say wait, my 5.4 3V truck is 300 HP stock - yes it is, give or take, but that is at the FLYWHEEL, not at the rear wheels - your drive line losses even with stock factory 17" or 18" wheels & tires runs upward of 100 HP, so they put down, on an accurate dyno, about 202-207 RWHP stock.
Also keep in mind that any time you install a wheel or tire that is heavier than stock, that will INCREASE the driveline loss, and thus DECREASE the final amount of power that gets to the ground as a result - taller tires alone really don't decrease power just because they are taller (though that DOES reduce torque multiplication and that of course hurts performance) - what actually costs raw horsepower in this regard is increasing the WEIGHT of the rotating mass of the wheels & tires - I mention that just because another poster made a comment in this regard, so this is just FYI.
This means that a truck with factory 18" wheels & tires is going to lay down more power than that very same truck if someone put 20" or 22" wheels on it with say, 35" tires.However, the PERCENTAGE of power gain we are going to make is still the same, so these mods are ALWAYS worthwhile, and always rank at the top of the bang for the buck list.
So in terms of how much power will you GAIN using the 3.5" Air Force One and our custom tuning for premium gas, that varies anywhere from roughly a low of about 30 at the tires to as much as well over 50 RWHP - but I like to tell people to think of it more in terms of roughly about 35-40 RWHP, and anything more than that is icing on the cake, so to speak. Also, there are some areas in the power curve where the power gains are larger than they are at the peak, so that is another factor to remember - in other words, try not to think just in terms of how much increase in PEAK power you will see, what matters far more is the increase in AVERAGE power across the power band, as that is what really determines how well the vehicle performs, how quickly it will accelerate, etc.
Now on an 87 octane tune, figure that the truck is going to gain a bit less, that usually average out to be anywhere from about 25 to as much as 38 RWHP for those modifications on a 2007 model, on average.
Again, remember the actual amount of improvement in things like your part-throttle torque, and the acceleration times, like your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, will be significantly better than what those numbers would suggest, because there are many other aspects of the powertrain calibration that affect the vehicle's ability to gain velocity ( to accelerate), or to pull a trailer, etc. in addition to just raw horsepower.
Now it's not going to feel like a supercharger of course, but the mods I am talking about, our Troyer Performance custom tuning, the Air Force One intake kit (preferably the 3.5" version), and then a good cat-back exhaust (we prefer Magnaflow or MBRP, but the Corsa will certainly work and sound good) represent the Top 3 best bang-for-the-buck mods in terms of actual performance gained per dollar spent - so you are on the basic right track.
One last point for those who live our west where the premium fuels are 91 octane instead of 93 like we get here in the east - there is not a BIG difference between 91 octane fuels and 93 octane fuels in terms of power gain - figure that it runs about 3 to maybe 5 HP on average, so it's not like running 91 instead of 93 is really going to "hurt" your performance significantly, it's not - it's still going to be better than it is on 87 octane, and by enough that most people use their higher octane tunes, as usually the fuel mileage goes up just about enough to cover the roughly 20 cent per gallon average delta between regular & premium for most people - when they can keep their foot out of the firewall.
Thanks for your post, please feel free to give us a call to go over any of this in more detail, & we hope to work with you!
Best of luck with your truck,
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Hi MPG32,
The results really vary quite a bit depending on exactly which intake and which of our tunes you are using at the time, but I'll try to give you some general ideas, OK?
On a 2007 5.4 3V, with the 3.5" Air Force One intake kit, our 93 octane performance tuning, and a good cat-back exhaust system, typically we see about (and this varies depending on fuel quality and the exact wheels & tires on the truck) roughly anywhere from a low of 246 RWHP to a high of about 265 RWHP in terms of the power level the truck ends up at. (RWHP -= Rear Wheel Horsepower)
Now keep in mind that this is at the rear wheels, and in STOCK trim from the factory, these 2004 & newer 5.4 3V F-150 trucks average in the 202-207 RWHP range - so that is quite a gain over stock.
This shocks a lot of people who will say wait, my 5.4 3V truck is 300 HP stock - yes it is, give or take, but that is at the FLYWHEEL, not at the rear wheels - your drive line losses even with stock factory 17" or 18" wheels & tires runs upward of 100 HP, so they put down, on an accurate dyno, about 202-207 RWHP stock.
Also keep in mind that any time you install a wheel or tire that is heavier than stock, that will INCREASE the driveline loss, and thus DECREASE the final amount of power that gets to the ground as a result - taller tires alone really don't decrease power just because they are taller (though that DOES reduce torque multiplication and that of course hurts performance) - what actually costs raw horsepower in this regard is increasing the WEIGHT of the rotating mass of the wheels & tires - I mention that just because another poster made a comment in this regard, so this is just FYI. This means that a truck with factory 18" wheels & tires is going to lay down more power than that very same truck if someone put 20" or 22" wheels on it with say, 35" tires.
However, the PERCENTAGE of power gain we are going to make is still the same, so these mods are ALWAYS worthwhile, and always rank at the top of the bang for the buck list.
So in terms of how much power will you GAIN using the 3.5" Air Force One and our custom tuning for premium gas, that varies anywhere from roughly a low of about 30 at the tires to as much as well over 50 RWHP - but I like to tell people to think of it more in terms of roughly about 35-40 RWHP, and anything more than that is icing on the cake, so to speak. Also, there are some areas in the power curve where the power gains are larger than they are at the peak, so that is another factor to remember - in other words, try not to think just in terms of how much increase in PEAK power you will see, what matters far more is the increase in AVERAGE power across the power band, as that is what really determines how well the vehicle performs, how quickly it will accelerate, etc.
Now on an 87 octane tune, figure that the truck is going to gain a bit less, that usually average out to be anywhere from about 25 to as much as 38 RWHP for those modifications on a 2007 model, on average.
Again, remember the actual amount of improvement in things like your part-throttle torque, and the acceleration times, like your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, will be significantly better than what those numbers would suggest, because there are many other aspects of the powertrain calibration that affect the vehicle's ability to gain velocity ( to accelerate), or to pull a trailer, etc. in addition to just raw horsepower.
Now it's not going to feel like a supercharger of course, but the mods I am talking about, our Troyer Performance custom tuning, the Air Force One intake kit (preferably the 3.5" version), and then a good cat-back exhaust (we prefer Magnaflow or MBRP, but the Corsa will certainly work and sound good) represent the Top 3 best bang-for-the-buck mods in terms of actual performance gained per dollar spent - so you are on the basic right track.
One last point for those who live our west where the premium fuels are 91 octane instead of 93 like we get here in the east - there is not a BIG difference between 91 octane fuels and 93 octane fuels in terms of power gain - figure that it runs about 3 to maybe 5 HP on average, so it's not like running 91 instead of 93 is really going to "hurt" your performance significantly, it's not - it's still going to be better than it is on 87 octane, and by enough that most people use their higher octane tunes, as usually the fuel mileage goes up just about enough to cover the roughly 20 cent per gallon average delta between regular & premium for most people - when they can keep their foot out of the firewall.
Thanks for your post, please feel free to give us a call to go over any of this in more detail, & we hope to work with you!
Best of luck with your truck,
The results really vary quite a bit depending on exactly which intake and which of our tunes you are using at the time, but I'll try to give you some general ideas, OK?
On a 2007 5.4 3V, with the 3.5" Air Force One intake kit, our 93 octane performance tuning, and a good cat-back exhaust system, typically we see about (and this varies depending on fuel quality and the exact wheels & tires on the truck) roughly anywhere from a low of 246 RWHP to a high of about 265 RWHP in terms of the power level the truck ends up at. (RWHP -= Rear Wheel Horsepower)
Now keep in mind that this is at the rear wheels, and in STOCK trim from the factory, these 2004 & newer 5.4 3V F-150 trucks average in the 202-207 RWHP range - so that is quite a gain over stock.
This shocks a lot of people who will say wait, my 5.4 3V truck is 300 HP stock - yes it is, give or take, but that is at the FLYWHEEL, not at the rear wheels - your drive line losses even with stock factory 17" or 18" wheels & tires runs upward of 100 HP, so they put down, on an accurate dyno, about 202-207 RWHP stock.
Also keep in mind that any time you install a wheel or tire that is heavier than stock, that will INCREASE the driveline loss, and thus DECREASE the final amount of power that gets to the ground as a result - taller tires alone really don't decrease power just because they are taller (though that DOES reduce torque multiplication and that of course hurts performance) - what actually costs raw horsepower in this regard is increasing the WEIGHT of the rotating mass of the wheels & tires - I mention that just because another poster made a comment in this regard, so this is just FYI.
This means that a truck with factory 18" wheels & tires is going to lay down more power than that very same truck if someone put 20" or 22" wheels on it with say, 35" tires.However, the PERCENTAGE of power gain we are going to make is still the same, so these mods are ALWAYS worthwhile, and always rank at the top of the bang for the buck list.
So in terms of how much power will you GAIN using the 3.5" Air Force One and our custom tuning for premium gas, that varies anywhere from roughly a low of about 30 at the tires to as much as well over 50 RWHP - but I like to tell people to think of it more in terms of roughly about 35-40 RWHP, and anything more than that is icing on the cake, so to speak. Also, there are some areas in the power curve where the power gains are larger than they are at the peak, so that is another factor to remember - in other words, try not to think just in terms of how much increase in PEAK power you will see, what matters far more is the increase in AVERAGE power across the power band, as that is what really determines how well the vehicle performs, how quickly it will accelerate, etc.
Now on an 87 octane tune, figure that the truck is going to gain a bit less, that usually average out to be anywhere from about 25 to as much as 38 RWHP for those modifications on a 2007 model, on average.
Again, remember the actual amount of improvement in things like your part-throttle torque, and the acceleration times, like your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, will be significantly better than what those numbers would suggest, because there are many other aspects of the powertrain calibration that affect the vehicle's ability to gain velocity ( to accelerate), or to pull a trailer, etc. in addition to just raw horsepower.
Now it's not going to feel like a supercharger of course, but the mods I am talking about, our Troyer Performance custom tuning, the Air Force One intake kit (preferably the 3.5" version), and then a good cat-back exhaust (we prefer Magnaflow or MBRP, but the Corsa will certainly work and sound good) represent the Top 3 best bang-for-the-buck mods in terms of actual performance gained per dollar spent - so you are on the basic right track.
One last point for those who live our west where the premium fuels are 91 octane instead of 93 like we get here in the east - there is not a BIG difference between 91 octane fuels and 93 octane fuels in terms of power gain - figure that it runs about 3 to maybe 5 HP on average, so it's not like running 91 instead of 93 is really going to "hurt" your performance significantly, it's not - it's still going to be better than it is on 87 octane, and by enough that most people use their higher octane tunes, as usually the fuel mileage goes up just about enough to cover the roughly 20 cent per gallon average delta between regular & premium for most people - when they can keep their foot out of the firewall.
Thanks for your post, please feel free to give us a call to go over any of this in more detail, & we hope to work with you!
Best of luck with your truck,
Thanks for all the info...can't wait for my tunes!