Don't see much by the way of Super Chips on this forum, any particular reason for that? Sounds like the board has a very good relationship with Troyer and his programing. Edge seems to be the second favorite, just looking for some objective feedback. Are they all that much different +-1 or 2 HP or is there a clear reason to go for one over the other? Still looking for the hard numbers from Dyno pulls. I see people talking about them but can't find them anywhere, is it me? I'd be interested in a bake off of them all to lay it all out if that hasnt already been done. Feel free to point me to the light.

Thanks

 

It's hard for me to believe that there's no hard data on any of these products. Has anyone actually seen any supporting claims? Inquiring Minds want to know.

Thanks

 

Hi.

What's the problem?

Try boning up on how to properly use the Search function instead of asking to be spoon-fed, okay?

500 hits usings 'Superchips' in Advanced Search; 22 hits on '1815'.
Lots of hard info in the 'Dyno Day' threads.
Several comparison reviews by members, including dyno numbers.

As a rough indication, a custom-tuned SCT device will yield approx twice the gains (or more) of a 'canned' Superchips device, depending on the vehicle configuration, etc.

It's already been discussed & it's all here.

Here's just a few:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...light=dyno+day
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...light=dyno+day
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...highlight=1815

The reason you don't see too many folks posting hard numbers on a 17xx or 18xx device is that the folks that buy them are 'plug&play' types for the most part, and not interested in the effort of dong the dyno thing, IMHO.

My advice: Go with a custom-tuned Xcal2... Troyer Performance. Period.

If you really want an education, call Mike Troyer and ask away ... he has tested, and has extensive experience with them all. Make sure you have plenty of quarters handy.

You've got some more reading to do.

Please don't get offended, it's just that this is old news by now, & my typing sucks.

Cheers
Bubba

 

Hi redreg,

Yeah, there is a significant performance difference between our in-depth custom tuning and the off the shelf devices - they change a few tables and a few dozen parameters at best, we're going much deeper into it and altering *hundreds* of parameters in our tuning.

As MGDFan mention din his post, there is *plenty* of info here, as much as anyone could want regarding what our tuning does - and he's right, few of the off the shelf users, just speaking in general, do a lot of dyno work, that is just the nature of the beast - so there is some of that info, but not as much.

We did a Dyno Day in September where we took a couple of bone stock test F-150's and compared a number of off the shelf tuners to our tuning, and it was hands down no contest - but that is to be expected, it's the difference between F-150 specialists doing much more in-depth work versus companies that are more concerned with having hundreds, if not thousands of different applications knocking out something that provides *some* improvement, and on a much smaller group of vehicles - we have dyno-tuned thousands of these trucks over the years, where major chipmakers actually test on far fewer vehicles, and this is to be expected - it's the difference between specializing like we do, versus doing a more generic type of tune - I say it that way not to denigrate, but simply to say that it's really not fair to expect companies that do not specialize to do what we do, just like we don't do what *they* do.

I hope that gives you a little bit of perspective on this overall, & please feel free to give us a call if you'd like to go over what we can do for your vehicle, OK?

Thanks for your post & good luck with your truck!

 

Be nice.

I have a number of posts related to my experience with a 1715. Search for phurley. I now have a TP Xcal2 and the difference while towing was huge. It felt as if I didn't have a 6000 lb. trailer. My recommendation is that even if you don't datalog or dyno your truck, get an XCAL2.

I just am in the process of installing an AF1 intake but their instructions are crapola and the pictures are worse. However, Mike insists they are the best intakes. They could use some help with their customer service, marketing and their instructions. But now I complain too much. From talking to Norm at TP, TP did the R&D anyway for the AF1 and gave them the plans. Hey Mike, can you suggest a product, do the R&D and give me a call, I will build it.

 

Ok.

Yo, redregf150... I apologize. That was rather rude of me...

Season's greetings to ya :santa:

Cheers
Bubba

 

I'm good, wasn’t aware of the search feature, but have a good feel for it now. Did lots of searching and found tons of people like to talk about what’s better, but IMO seems to be because someone told them. I'm a big drag racer and talk is cheap in my book. Don't know crap about stuff with computers, but if you throw a couple of 1050 Dominators into the mix we can do some talkin Sorry for asking such crappy questions, but I thought what I was asking would be simple and straight forward. I just want data, I can make my own decision based on that, I don't listen to anyone who just say's get it cuz it's cool. If that were the case I'd be like everyone else if ya know what I mean. I appreciate knowledgeable people like Mike who do forums like this justice by setting the story straight.
Believe it or not I still have not found the numbers for bone stock 5.4 compared with competitive tuners posted. I have seen a couple guys post their numbers but they usually had multiple mods done. I can certainly appreciate this as that's the kind of data I'd be interested in. This case just happens to be tuner only, I only make one change at a time.
What I can do with my limited capabilities is help out where I can, so this is what I'll do. I'm having my bone stock 06 SCrew Lariat Dyno'd and will then slam on the Evolution that I just ordered. This is all I can do, but it will be there for all to see. Still kicking around the MagnFlow exhaust, but I'm not thinking it will pick up any since the motor most likely just doesn’t flow enough to go bigger? Someone may be able to set me straight, just my thought.
Anyhow, thanks everyone for the comments and keep the dialog open and objective!

 

^ don't know about anyone else, but I like your idea. I too would like to see just what performance is gained from only an edge.
Keep us posted.