I would say that this is a very inaccurate statement. To take a pickup truck, and add devices to make it speed up quicker, or beak the speed limit better, would be viewed by some as very childish as well, so the same goes both ways. But to call doin a burnout stupid... If your buddy said, "hey, let's see ya smoke the meats!" and you fail, that's just sad! Not to mention embarrasing.

Ahhh, I see where you're going with this. I did not mean to imply that your product is bad in any way. I was fussing about the fact that it takes a tuner to make the dang truck spin out! And sometimes, even that isn't enough. I was poking fun at the fact that his truck (as well as almost every other F-150) WON'T spin out. I did not mean to implicate your product as faulty. I am almost positive that Lakeport Loafer was getting at the same point. I was not trying to indicate that your product was at fault, but that Ford was letting us down. Go back and re-read what Lakeport and I were saying, and I think you'll see that I was bitching about what ford has put us through to make the truck spin out. And you'll see that lakeport's comments weren't aimed at you either. Maybe, but my insults were aimed at Ford, and their "300" hp. Might I remind ya'll that I too had to turn to a tuner to achieve a burnout, and even then it would only do it with high octane fuel, during periods of cold weather.

 

And Maybe it's not all 300 hp Fords, just yours. I know mine will peel a little rubber stock. Maybe were talking apples and oranges. One man's burn out is another man's chirp, or something. When I watch the road tests on TV where they take some of the most powerful modern cars to the drag strip, they don't do much of a burn out either, but they do get to the other end rather quickly. I think you just want to be talked into buying an SC, so go ahead drop one of those in there.

 

I also wanted to add that I just went out and measured the width of the contact area of my tires, it's 9 inches of rubber on the ground. That's a lot to spin. Comparing that to an older vehicle that had less "Hook Up" isn't right either. I guess what I'm trying to say is burn-out's "just aren't what they use to be." The focus is more on putting the power to the ground and moving forward.

 

I just noticed in your signature that you have a 1997 5.4L. Maybe that's your problem. That engine didn't have 300 hp, it had 235 hp and 330 ft. lbf. and I am sure that it has a couple of miles on it, right?

 

Well. I wasn't expecting this. All other things aside, you just made a personal attack on a potential customer of whom you know very little about. This is actually the second time you have done this(that I know of). I dont want to get flamed for second guessing almighty mike but I pretty much know it will happen. If you want my advice, if you dont have anything nice to say, especially about someone who could be buying from you, dont say anything. But thats just me and you would have to be a fool if you think Lakeport is going to buy from you now. None of this was personal and I hope nobody takes any personal offence to what I have said.


lock

 

Not speaking for him, but I doubt that Mr. Troyer would want a customer like this. How would the transaction go? "Hey, Mike Troyerrrr, yeaaa, what's up man? Hey, like, I need one of those thingys to make my wheels spin crazy mad yo! Can ya hook me?"

JK, I couldn't help myself.

SL

 

Well, my point is, that if it had enough power to spin out, then it would get to the end of the track even quicker. So if my truck and your truck were the same model, had the same tires and gear ratio, except mine had enough power to do a burnout, I would win a drag race. Unless I was an idiot, and couldn't keep the tires from spinning from a start. And you're right about my truck having 230 hp and a lot of miles. But it never has spun out, since the day I bought it. And I know plenty of people with the 3 valve engines, and theirs does no better.

Whatever, just a stupid rant anyway. Saves me tons of $$ on tires!

 

No, he likes the kind that say, Hey, Mikey, I need one of those thingeys that makes me get to the other end fast! Can ya hook me up yo? But NO SPINNING OUT!

 

I can understand the problem your having, it's just difficult for me because I have a stock 5.4L 3V and have no problem getting some rear wheel action. You have to keep in mind that I am trying not to spin the tire and it does anyway. This happens Very rarely and only when necessary, and I have a bone stock truck with bigger rims and tires then what came on it. And the truck has 45,000 on it and still runs strong. Yeah it weights 5000+ pounds and getting that weight to move takes hp, but it still does it. I wanted a new truck for many years, but I didn't want to buy an old push rod type design, they make power, I just wanted something modern. The 2004+ is the answer. See my earlier post.

 

A lot of people on this thread seem to be taking all this a little too seriously. I guess it may be my fault. I did not realize when I made the post that you were only allowed to participate on this forum if you had glowing praise for the new F150. Oh well, pass the Kool-Aid. I see now that a lot of people on this forum won't allow any room for any criticism of the F150 at all or they go on immediate attack mode. Now I know. I will say that I have seen dozens of others on the site who think that the F150 is severly underpowered. To answer a few questions, I have a brand new, f150, 2006, with 5.4, and 4x4. I have owned and driven dozens of other Ford trucks over the last 25 years. My last truck was a 2001 with a 4.6 v8 auto. The 5.4 is supposed to have tons more power than the 4.6. However, I will tell you that my 2001 launches better than my 2006. Also, my 5.4, 2006, can't get any wheel at all. While my 2001 could. My comments were not meant to offend anyone. I was merely expressing my disappointment after paying a whole lot of money for a truck that was supposed to have tons more power and peformance than my 2001 and which really has no noticeable additional power over the prior truck.

As to those of you making personal attacks regarding people you do not even know, you are making a lot of assumptions, many of which are completely wrong. Please do not presume to speak for me. By the way, if I ever buy a tuner, it would be an XCAL II and I would hope to think that I could get it from Troyer. I have no animosity toward him and I hope he has none against me. It is obvious that he is very skilled and knows his business.

To make all the sycophants happy, let me revise my post, as follows: Guess what, I woke up today, got in my 5.4 2006. I found a wooden block under the gas pedal that was not allowing the pedal to go all the way down. I just removed the wood block. You can't imagine the power and performance. Geez, I stepped on the gas and you should have heard the tires spin. Man, the engine does not bog down at all. Ford might want to rethink putting such powerful engines in their trucks. Some unsuspecting buyer may be taken by surprise at all the extra power these trucks have. Ford might want to cut back on the horsepower maybe by about half so that no one suffers from whiplash from stepping on the gas too hard. Geez, my Ford will smoke the tires right off the truck. You should see the faces on the chevy and dodge and toyota owners. This truck has double the power and performance of my 2001. What was Ford thinking. I think I will go down and see if I can have the engine de-tuned. I do not think I can handle all this power. WOW. Is anyone else having the same problem with way too much power with their 5.4. What can I do. Maybe I should drive around with half the spark plug wires off until I can get to the dealer to have the power reduced. Maybe I could just put the wooden block back under the gas pedal to keep it from going down to far.

 

Thanks a lot! I just shot diet coke out my nose and boy does that burn. I'm running outside right now and removing the stock wood block. That sounds a lot cheaper than a custom tune.

Tom

 

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For what it's worth, my 69 302 Mustang hooked and went, but my 250 Maverick would spin. I'm pretty certain that my Mustang had more power since the Mav would top out at about 85. Maybe your truck isn't putting out 300HP. You may want to consider getting it dynoed. It could be detuned for some crazy reason from the factory. Miscalibrated computer or set up for a different climate? Who knows?

SL

 

Dang, So that's what that wooden block was for! When I installed my edge, removing the block was the 2nd thing on the instruction list! And I thought it's "re-programming" was responsable for all the performance gains!

 

sigh