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From: Lubbock/Del Rio,TEXAS
Mike said he didnt recomend it but was proffesional enough to tell Pat williamson to call and he would gladly explain why he doesnt recommend the product instead of bashinig it. And how do you know he hasnt dealt with similar products to yours maybe thats why he didnt recomend it
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Originally Posted by Blackford
Mike said he didnt recomend it but was proffesional enough to tell Pat williamson to call and he would gladly explain why he doesnt recommend the product instead of bashinig it. And how do you know he hasnt dealt with similar products to yours maybe thats why he didnt recomend it
Please, re read my post, he has not tested this product. This is the fact, sorry if that's hard to believe.
To dismiss a product without testing it is not (in your words exactly) "proffesional"
Keep trying.
Jay
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what i was saying is he could of tested a similar product to yours and im not saying your JLT is a bad product Im just saying im sure mike has a reason
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Just my $.02 I wish Mr. Troyer would test this product, but all he said was that he didn't recomend it. I don't recommend E Harmony.com...because I never tried it and have no desire to do so, not because I think it is a bad service.
I will call and hear Mr Troyer out, but may still consider the product anyway. What I really wanted to know was if he would tune his Xcal II for this product.
Now everbody quit getting bent out of shape, not recommending a product is not the same as saying it is bad.
I will call and hear Mr Troyer out, but may still consider the product anyway. What I really wanted to know was if he would tune his Xcal II for this product.
Now everbody quit getting bent out of shape, not recommending a product is not the same as saying it is bad.
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Pat call this number (540) 862-9515 This is your new forum post therefore you should follow up on the answer to the original question.Mike has not reposted and I feel strongly that he will not.So basically the ball is in your court, if you want to know the reason yes,or the reason no you must call.At this point in time speculation has over run the reason that you posted in the first place.Also I think Jay should call Mike to resolve any more issues,this has become a very good likeness to a kangaroo court and a few more entries might qualify this as the beginnings of a childrens cartoon
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PM sent.
Bottom line guys, your all defending a 3rd party, not yourself. So the fact is you don't know the truth.
As you are reading here, JLT is well respected in the Mustang community and were here to bring the same thing we learned there to the trucks.
All I ask is do some research before you attack someone or something you never heard of before.
As I told Mr. T, I'm not here to invade his space, just here to answer questions and correct false statements being made about this product.
Thanks all,
Jay
Bottom line guys, your all defending a 3rd party, not yourself. So the fact is you don't know the truth.
As you are reading here, JLT is well respected in the Mustang community and were here to bring the same thing we learned there to the trucks.
All I ask is do some research before you attack someone or something you never heard of before.
As I told Mr. T, I'm not here to invade his space, just here to answer questions and correct false statements being made about this product.
Thanks all,
Jay
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I don't know why I'm getting involved... but, another perspective:
People bringing "new products" come and go. Mike, and Troyer Performance have been here since the beginning. Credibility is earned.
In my field, it isn't necessary to test every product to see if it will work. The designs vary slightly, but they are all designed for the same purpose. If I see something in the design that will make installation more difficult, or see something that will lead to premature ware, I would reccomend against that product. I don't need to have used it to see that there are better, more reliable options. I'm not saying that there is a paralell here, just that it's not necessary to "test" a product to make an evaluation of it.
This site and it's members aren't about catering, or a$$ kissing certian vendors. The people who have earned respect, get it. That's it. If your a newer vendor here, you got to earn your own respect.
People bringing "new products" come and go. Mike, and Troyer Performance have been here since the beginning. Credibility is earned.
In my field, it isn't necessary to test every product to see if it will work. The designs vary slightly, but they are all designed for the same purpose. If I see something in the design that will make installation more difficult, or see something that will lead to premature ware, I would reccomend against that product. I don't need to have used it to see that there are better, more reliable options. I'm not saying that there is a paralell here, just that it's not necessary to "test" a product to make an evaluation of it.
This site and it's members aren't about catering, or a$$ kissing certian vendors. The people who have earned respect, get it. That's it. If your a newer vendor here, you got to earn your own respect.
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You know, i see both sides of this discussion. But i dont think the opinion of one person will make or break this product. If the product makes the power and is proven to not throw CELs or make your truck run lean, then people will buy it regardless of a few people's preferences or opinions.
Jay,
Just keep at it and if your product delivers, then you shouldnt have any problem selling it.
Jay,
Just keep at it and if your product delivers, then you shouldnt have any problem selling it.
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I think this one has probably run it's course... don't you guys think?
If you have INFORMATION to contribute, post. If not, drop the bickering and do not post...
Additionally Mr. Tucker... please be careful to not violate our SUPPORTING VENDOR rules. You're very close to stepping over that line.
If you have INFORMATION to contribute, post. If not, drop the bickering and do not post...
Additionally Mr. Tucker... please be careful to not violate our SUPPORTING VENDOR rules. You're very close to stepping over that line.
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From: Seabrook,NH
If I may offer my opinion, I have not heard Mike say anything bad about JLTs product. He purposely took it off line to avoid that.
He however has said many times that there are issues with "Ram Air" setups on MAF equipped vehicles and he does not recommend that configuration. He may not have experience with JLT's intake but he has years of relevant experience.
For example:
This is my take on why he does not recommend the product.
He however has said many times that there are issues with "Ram Air" setups on MAF equipped vehicles and he does not recommend that configuration. He may not have experience with JLT's intake but he has years of relevant experience.
For example:
Originally Posted by Superchips Distributor
Actually, Johnny's Lighting was put on the dyno down at Superchips some time ago, so yes, that has indeed been specifically tested. Also, some other "Ram Air" setups have been tested on a number of these vehicles as well. The bottom line was that any of the true Ram Air setups (meaning any setup that actually provides "ram air," positive air pressure into the MAF above normal atmospheric) tested caused the MAF voltage signal to be thrown off, and it's thrown off more the faster the vehicle is driven, as you would expect from a true "Ram Air" setup. Because the MAF voltage signal is thrown off, it made the engine run leaner and leaner as speeds increased. This is why we do not recommend using any true Ram Air setup in MAF-equipped vehicles. If you do decide to go with a true Ram Air setup, then it will need to be tuned for specifically, to prevent the engine from going dangerously lean as speeds increase, and to really do that properly requires some careful data-logging & mobile A/F testing to nail the tuning, a rather involved process.
You can get plenty of cold air into that motor without going with a true "ram air" setup. On our Lightning, we can of course run anything we want, and we run the Air Force One intake on our own 500+ hp 2001 Lightning. That is what we recommend for any 1999 or newer Lightning and the 2002 supercharged Harley model, at any power level, as the AF1 intake filter setup can support 600+ horsepower, and it adds a solid 21-22 horsepower just with the vehicle stationary on the dyno. It also ties into the cold air inlet from the fender via an inverted ram-type filter element so it can take outside air in the the top of the element, and if it needs even more air, it can take it from the rest of the circumference of the air filter, which is 12" long and a gigantic 7" at the base.
You can get plenty of cold air into that motor without going with a true "ram air" setup. On our Lightning, we can of course run anything we want, and we run the Air Force One intake on our own 500+ hp 2001 Lightning. That is what we recommend for any 1999 or newer Lightning and the 2002 supercharged Harley model, at any power level, as the AF1 intake filter setup can support 600+ horsepower, and it adds a solid 21-22 horsepower just with the vehicle stationary on the dyno. It also ties into the cold air inlet from the fender via an inverted ram-type filter element so it can take outside air in the the top of the element, and if it needs even more air, it can take it from the rest of the circumference of the air filter, which is 12" long and a gigantic 7" at the base.
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From: Moyock, NC
I just had my 05 Exp dyno'ed with Jay's kit and the Xcal II tune and will post the graphs asap. Bone stock the Exp was 240 hp/290 tq so based on 300/365 from the factory the 20% driveline loss seems to be right on. Granted, this was in a 2nd gear pull..
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240hp/290tq stock and after the JLT CAI and SCT tune it made 270 hp 360 tq with a peak tq reading of 390 tq @ 2100 rpm's. Did not let the truck cool down and on the back to back rum it made 265 hp and 340 tq with a peak tq of 370. I can post the dyno sheet if needed.
www.jlttruecoldair.com or call 757-335-1940.
Greg
www.jlttruecoldair.com or call 757-335-1940.
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Babe Ruth stepping up to the plate here. I either knock it out or go down hard swinging, I think we all know that.
That said, I do have some info to add on this. Mike and I went on with a thread very similiar to this one for some time (which I was later banned for but was graciously allowed to return) Having disagreed with just about everything the man said and did, I was quite the unpopular guy. Mike, if you're reading this don't take offense. Guys like me and mike, you have to understand us before you judge us. We mixed about like oil and water before we had a few good conversations on the phone. I had to bite the bullet and make the call, but he never once mentioned a single thing that I had said negatively about anything he provided. (if it were me, I'd have told myself to F off) He explained to me, as I assume he does to everyone else, quite in depthly everything I asked of him. I have been screwing with cars for some years now, and this man is probably one of 3 I would let work on my personal car. There isn't a subject yet that I have inquired about that he didn't have an answer to.
Now, all that aside, I had a "ram air style" intake that I made for my Navigator when I first had the blower on. It caused spikes in my MAF voltage that tripped CEL lights. My voltage would run a constant 1.14 or so at idle ram air, while it runs more or less .91 non ram air. Since the removal of said ram air, no codes have been tripped. I ran lean for quite some time like that, vigorously searching for my problem, never finding it.
I'll go out on a limb here for Mike, whether he has tested it or not, and agree with him that ram air is not the best option for our trucks. Now, I have no issue with JLT (nor had I heard of it prior to this point; is there a website?) and I am not biased against his products. My opinion comes from my personal experience with ram air style intakes. Mike knows his chit, and from his knowledge, and my experience, I draw a logical conclusion. I will also go out for JLT and say, I had Ram Air on my 89 Mustang (OBDI) and never had an issue from it, but OBDI is much less likely to kick a light. (without a light on, I had 4 codes on OBDI) I loved it on my stang, but as I have come to learn from others here as well as Mike, this truck ain't no stang, and shares very few if any characteristics with it.
Bottom line fellas: Try whatever product you like. If it don't work, its your money. I personally don't believe in wasting a bunch of money on CAI or AF1 either, cept for the 05 and ups. I use cheap pipe and cheap filters and get good results ( I know mike, I know)
Party on Wayne, Party on Garth
That said, I do have some info to add on this. Mike and I went on with a thread very similiar to this one for some time (which I was later banned for but was graciously allowed to return) Having disagreed with just about everything the man said and did, I was quite the unpopular guy. Mike, if you're reading this don't take offense. Guys like me and mike, you have to understand us before you judge us. We mixed about like oil and water before we had a few good conversations on the phone. I had to bite the bullet and make the call, but he never once mentioned a single thing that I had said negatively about anything he provided. (if it were me, I'd have told myself to F off) He explained to me, as I assume he does to everyone else, quite in depthly everything I asked of him. I have been screwing with cars for some years now, and this man is probably one of 3 I would let work on my personal car. There isn't a subject yet that I have inquired about that he didn't have an answer to.
Now, all that aside, I had a "ram air style" intake that I made for my Navigator when I first had the blower on. It caused spikes in my MAF voltage that tripped CEL lights. My voltage would run a constant 1.14 or so at idle ram air, while it runs more or less .91 non ram air. Since the removal of said ram air, no codes have been tripped. I ran lean for quite some time like that, vigorously searching for my problem, never finding it.
I'll go out on a limb here for Mike, whether he has tested it or not, and agree with him that ram air is not the best option for our trucks. Now, I have no issue with JLT (nor had I heard of it prior to this point; is there a website?) and I am not biased against his products. My opinion comes from my personal experience with ram air style intakes. Mike knows his chit, and from his knowledge, and my experience, I draw a logical conclusion. I will also go out for JLT and say, I had Ram Air on my 89 Mustang (OBDI) and never had an issue from it, but OBDI is much less likely to kick a light. (without a light on, I had 4 codes on OBDI) I loved it on my stang, but as I have come to learn from others here as well as Mike, this truck ain't no stang, and shares very few if any characteristics with it.
Bottom line fellas: Try whatever product you like. If it don't work, its your money. I personally don't believe in wasting a bunch of money on CAI or AF1 either, cept for the 05 and ups. I use cheap pipe and cheap filters and get good results ( I know mike, I know)
Party on Wayne, Party on Garth
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Now, I have no issue with JLT (nor had I heard of it prior to this point; is there a website?)
www.jlttruecoldair.com
I understand your points and they are well put; however I have the dyno graph in front of me proving that a ram air kit coupled with the tune made good power and with a safe a/f and so far no CEL's, no driveability issues, better throttle response and firmer shifts. I know the last two are tune related and not CAI related but the two coupled produced power and compliment each other.
www.jlttruecoldair.com
I understand your points and they are well put; however I have the dyno graph in front of me proving that a ram air kit coupled with the tune made good power and with a safe a/f and so far no CEL's, no driveability issues, better throttle response and firmer shifts. I know the last two are tune related and not CAI related but the two coupled produced power and compliment each other.