HAHA, yea man...the 87 tune is nice, but the 93 tune is awesome. I'm running the 87 tune now trying to save a few bucks on gas and I can definitely tell a difference in power, but it's definitely better than stock slow tune.

I also get better mpg on the 87 tune, but I think that's only because I don't drive it as hard as with the 93 tune.

 

Urgh! I want my tunes so bad I can smell the gasoline. I've figured that it should be this week so I filled up with 93 over the weekend.

 

I know all about the rev limits on a f-150! I was talking about the rev limits for shift points!! Not the dumbass limit, set for people that like to revv their engine to the max while the tranny is in neutral, or for those that like to hold the transmission in gear to gain more rpm!!! My friend has a superchip, and at WOT his truck shifts at 5200 rpm. Not exactly the stock value, RIGHT??

I know I've read several posts by members asking what aspects of the transmission shift procedures were changed. And you told them that it was classified information. I make no assumptions as to what the troyer tune does to the tranny. But if you're gonna sit here and tell me that it's better for the axles, differentials, driveshafts, tires, U-joints, engine belt and accesories to slam into gear, exceed the stock shift rpm's, and top speed limit, I'm throwing the b/s flag.


The comment I made about the transmission slipping was an example of a problem that might occur and NOT be caused by the tuner. It might just be a bad transmission. But the dealer might attribute the problem to the incorrect values stored in the computer, and still void your warranty.


I think you can quit trying to be god. I don't appreciate you insulting my intelligence, or knowledge of vehicles. You twisted everything I said in order to prove me stupid. I never said anything bad about the performance increases of the troyer tune, nor did I state that It would ruin your truck, in fact I would love to have one! I merely stated that it can void your warranty, and if damage occurs in correlation with the tuner, it probably WILL void the warranty! And that is whole point of the discussion for me.

 

No it doesn't hurt my transmission(165,000 miles), and No it did not void my warranty to pull it. I drive carefully. I may work hard with my truck, but I don't dog it.

 

Chester, I don't want to get into anything here with you. I am just noticing that you seem to make the same comment on every aftermarket product I have seen you comment on. "It can void your warranty". The fact that an aftermarket part voids the OEM warranty on that part is known. There are laws in place to protect consumers regarding dealers trying to exploit any further warranty denials.
The most important part of course is that it is the individuals truck and therefore decision. If they want to put an aftermarket part on their vehicle, they can. Your concern is duly noted, and I am not here to disparage your concern for others, but the bottom line is that the stock Ford truck can be improved upon and customized to an individuals taste. Isn't that half the fun of a vehicle, making it your own? From towing, to hauling to hauling a**, we all enjoy our trucks.

 

True! And for me as well!! But I have talked to several people that have tuners, and they have no idea that they could void the warranty. It has been noted on this site, that there is a law that protects people from warranty fraud, (on the side of the dealership). That's to say: If you put a K&N air filter in your truck, and the radiator starts leaking, or the A/C quits, then they can't void your warranty. But if you put a chip in your truck, and the engine locks up, then it would be harder to defeat the dealership's claim: "The damage was caused by the chip." So that law doesn't always hold true.

That was the point I was trying to make with all my previous statements. I don't like K&N air filters, or NAPA air filters. They do a crappy job of filtering air, and I don't recommend them. I don't see the point of CAI's that take in hot air from under the hood. But I do like chips and tuners, cause they work!!! I would highly recommend one except for somebody that couldn't risk a voided warranty.

Many people don't realize the potential consequences of using some of these products. I never said that the Xcal2 didn't work, or let dirt into your motor, or decreased it's longevity. I said that IF you had some kind of problem with your engine or drivetrain, it would be hard to dispell the dealer's claim that the damage was caused by the Xcal2. Therefore the "Magnuson Moss Warranty Act" would not cover you.