Well I haven't been able to run any performance tests since the latest update untill today. I am totally baffled. When I first got this thing and loaded level 2 on 87octane, this thing ran like a raped ape. 0-60 times were 7.6-7.8. After the last couple updates, the performance has been sub par. I haven't got a clue as to what is going on. With the latest update running 93 octane I have run both level 2 and 3 and both with the default tune and one that I have customized. The best 0-60 time I have got has been 8.0, which I got with both levels.

When I first got it data (original version):

Level 2 (87 oct)custom settings:
WOT 1-2 5100, 2-3 5100, 3-4 4500
Rev Limiter 5400
Octane (is Timing now) 89 octane
Tire size 2472 (I measured tire....3 rotation method)
0-60 runs: 7.8, 7.6, 7.6 (many runs between 7.6 & 7.8)

Tire spin was excessive (actually backed out of it several times). Never ran level 3 with this version.
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Latest Update Data:

Level 2 (93 oct)custom settings:
WOT 1-2 5200, 2-3 5200, 3-4 4500
Rev Limiter 5500
Timing +3
Tire size 2472 (I measured tire....3 rotation method)
0-60 runs: 8.3, 8.0, 8.1

Level 3 (93 oct)custom settings:
WOT 1-2 5300, 2-3 5300, 3-4 4600
Rev Limiter 5600
Timing +1
Tire size 2472 (I measured tire....3 rotation method)
0-60 runs: 8.6, 8.3, 8.0

Tire spin was about the same for both....10ft maybe.

Before and after each run I cleared the records. For the level 2 runs the rpm got up to 4490 and for level 3 it got up to 4830. Shouldn't they have gotten up to around what I had the shifts set for (5200 & 5300rpm)? Does this sound right? Could someone tell me what their records for RPM show.

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I guess after the consistent high 7's times I got right off the bat with level 2 with 87 octane, I'm thinking I should do better now? Anybody got any ideas?

Also wanted to say that I have not had any hard shifting issues or issues with cruise, etc.......really no issues at all except for this performance thing.

Should note that I have an FX4 SCAB, bonestock except for a magnaflow catback (& tuner of course), 5.4L, 3.73LS

 

Are you sure about the tire size? Do you have 17" rims?

 

MosineeFX4, did you revert to stock then load the level 2 or 3 without "manually" custom tuning anything? The message you posted on page 1 (#7 in this thread https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...62&postcount=7 ) seemed murky to me when 'splaining customizing one of the non-stock tunes.

 

Well, when this first happened I was running the previous version (14 something or another I think) and I thought that maybe it was something I did and the order I did it. So, I waited untill the latest update was available and I returned my truck to stock and updated everything. I then, running 93 octane, loaded the default level 3 tune from Edge (no customizing whatsoever) and ran an 8.6, 8.2, and 8.3 0-60. I didn't know if it was level 3 or not so I changed the tune back to stock first and then to the default level 2 tune from Edge and ran an 8.3 (only one run). I then ran some more runs with the settings I customized as I stated in the earlier post.

The info I posted in the post your referring to is copied out of 2 of Bill's (ASEMechanic) posts. All I was trying to indicate (not very good I guess) was that when you "customize" one of the level tunes that the values you see for many of the parameters are not the default parameters for those levels as programmed from Edge. Because I thought that some people might want to know what those default values from Edge are............I posted info from Bill's posts.

 

Yes, tire size is right on. I have 18in wheels, 275/65R18 tire size. The math (also the Edge manual) comes out to 2559 mm circumference, but because of tire wear and manufacturing differences, it is more accurate to measure the circumference. I used the method mentioned on the Edge website..........mark tire and floor for starting point....make 3 complete revolutions.....mark floor and measure distance......divide by 3.......convert to mm. My measurement (doublechecked) came out to 2472mm. That is different from the 2559mm book value by 87mm in circumference..........which would approximately equal a 28mm (little over an inch) difference in tire diameter (tire heighth). I don't know if treadwear and/or manufacturing differences should make it that different, but that is what I measured (more than once). Also, my speedo seems to be accurate.

Anyway, maybe you or someone else could let me know, when you check records on your unit.........does the RPM number show something close to your highest WOT shift rpm setting (assuming you have been WOT). My thoughts are that the "Record" RPM value is the highest rpm recorded since the records were reset. Is this correct?

I am currently running level 3 with the custom options stated in the first post. Since I have the WOT shifts for 1-2 and 2-3 set to 5300 rpm and I ran a total of 5 0-60 runs (last 2 runs done near the end of a 40 mile trip), I would think the "Record" rpm would be somewhere around 5300 rpm. After the last 2 runs it is 4853 rpm. I am wondering if the custom changes I put in are actually working? If I check by selecting "Load Previous Settings", all of the parameters are what I had set them to. Heck, even the default value from Edge for level 3, for those shifts, is 5100 rpm. So, I'm wondering what's going on.

Any thoughts? At least give me some numbers as far as the "Record" rpm values versus WOT setting rpm values you guys are seeing.

Thanks

 

Couple of things....

Maybe the initial Edge 0-60 times were a little generous, and now are more realistic.

You are supposed to connect the Edge unit to a stock truck, with the key in the on position. ASEMechanic even stated in a post that failure to do this will cause the settings in the Edge to not be enabled in the PCM.

 

Kool Aid is probably right. However, i always check the parameters before i flash my truck. After the last update, my timing was set to 0....

 

[QUOTE=Kool Aid]Couple of things....

Maybe the initial Edge 0-60 times were a little generous, and now are more realistic.

You are supposed to connect the Edge unit to a stock truck, with the key in the on position. ASEMechanic even stated in a post that failure to do this will cause the settings in the Edge to not be enabled in the PCM.

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What would explain generous? What times do you have? I don't think the initial times are hard to believe. They seem consistent with many on this board. I figured that with 93 octane and level 3 that I would get low to mid sevens for comparison.

I read the directions and many posts.........that part of it I did not get wrong. Also, I do not believe it will go through the customize tune, prepare PCM, load PCM cycle unless it is hooked up correctly.

Anyway, no one has checked what their RPM "Record" is and how it compares to their WOT highest RPM shift setting. I am really thinking that it is not doing the WOT shifts where I set them.

 

I check them before and after flashing. After flashing, I will go to that level and "Load Previous Settings" and check all the parameters. All the values on mine are as I set them. The tire size is the only culprit, it likes to change a couple mm.

 

My tire size was doing that in the previous load of software. The latest has bumped the Istant MPG's down from 50 to 30, and fixed he tire size changing if you go back in to look at it. Mine would climb like 5mm each time I moved back to view it. The latest revision seems to have a lot of little bugs fixed I think there are only a few more left.

 

I have that update. The tire size is better, but in order to get the 2472 I want.......I have to enter 2470, but you are right.....after it is set, it stays the same. And so far, even the ampg seems to be accurate for me, I will find out later today when I fill up.

So, how about checking your "Records" screen and letting me know what the RPM value is and how it compares to what you have the WOT shifts set at? Also, you seem to be getting some great times (7.2s), what are your settings?

Thanks,

Oh yeah, nice review in your other post.

 

I just wanted to clarify that you hadn't "customized" a custom tune which would have forced stock values for all other parameters if I had understood Bill's information you had posted earlier.

Seems strange that a tune update would be so much of a departure from the previous version to essentially destroy any benefit from the tuner but that seems to be a possibility. You've obviously loaded a number of updates. Did you take a breath and review the update and tune loading instructions to ensure you are skipping or inadvertently modifying any step in the procedures?

 

Ever since I loaded my Edge (now 2 weeks), I seem to notice lot more air intake and/or exhaust rummble noise. Is that normal for any tuner??? I think I'll set it back to factory setting and check this out but wanna to ask others while I was sitting here in my office @ work. Thanks