HWM3 and other xcal2 owners, can you change these parameters or do you have to send it off? The xcal2 is INFINITELY more tuneable , that is a given. But if you dont have the ability to adjust it yourself, what good is it? I would like to know for sure that you can adjust them yourself.

EDIT: found this on the sct website
User adjustable features, availability, and range of adjustment may vary based on your vehicle and custom tuning dealer.

So the dealer can lock you out of making changes or can allow some?

 

Those are NOT the only parameters that a SCT tuner can adjust. Those are what are user adjustable on my Xcal2. You don't have to send the Xcal2 back to get ANY adjustments made. They are available via e-mail.

I don't know why some of you Edge guys are having such a hard time understanding this. The fact is the Xcal2 and Edge are very similar devices. The 2 differences are the display and the fact that out of the box, the Xcal2 contains a much more user specific tune. Even the cost difference, without any coupons codes or group buys, is basically the same.

I have had both and went with the Xcal2 because I feel uncomfortable making changes to the tuning without knowing how it is affecting long term durablility of my truck. It's nice knowing you have a tuner with 14+ years experience helping you to make safe, reliable power.

 

I personally would never ever change anything that has to do with the performance part of the user-adjustable function of the XCal2 tuning without the express written consent (email would do) of Mike, that’s his job, that’s what he gets paid for. I would however switch tire size or something inconsequential like that on my own

 

Look, I'm not an expert in the field of tuning, but I personally bought the Edge tuner for two simple reasons:

1) It's easy to use and I won't f$#% up my truck
2) It's actually ATTRACTIVE

If we were talking about a Porsche 911 or even a newer model Cobra, the custom tune capabilities might have swayed me. However, it's a.... truck... We're not breaking any sound speed barriers here with all of out 5,500+ lb mass, right? It's not like I'm going to have Richard Petty tailing me on the highway and that XCal will be able to keep me in first place.

 

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Another thing for you Edge users to keep in mind. The instruction manual states:

"It is strongly recommended prior to returning your vehicle to a service center or emissions check that you return your vehicle's computer to the stock program. In the event that the service center re-flashes your vehicle's computer (a common practice) and you have NOT returned it to stock, your Evolution programmer will be rendered useless. If this happens, call our technical support at (888) 360-EDGE and they can help you recover your Evolution for a small fee. Follow the steps in this manual for returning your program to stock."

 

#1-It doesn't get much easier than the Xcal2. Plug it in, turn on the key, push a couple buttons and your done. As fas as not doing damage, the manual states "Custom options are provided to allow for flexibility based on driver preferences. Any option customization done by the user is not warranted by Edge Products. Please use at your own descretion."

#2-The display setup is pretty nice on the Edge, but the permanent installation makes it a bit more difficult to hide the fact that you've tuned your vehicle.

If an extra few HP means nothing to you, why did you buy a tuner?

 

Let's look at them side by side (you condensed the Edge parameters where you didnt on the XCAL2 )

Xcal2 adjustments available: Edge Adjustment:
Spark 0-2000 Edge: Octane ( i assume this lines up) and is a global parameter
Spark 2000-4000
Spark 4000-8000
WOT Air/Fuel Edge: Not available
Axle Ratio Edge: Available
Tire Revs/Mile Edge:Tire Circumference
Speed limit Edge: Available
Rev limit in Drive Edge: Global rev limiter
Rev limit in Neutral
Idle speed in Drive Edge: Not available (yet)but will be global
Idle speed in Neutral
WOT shift 1-2 Edge:Available
WOT shift 2-3 Edge:Available
WOT shift 3-4 Edge:Available
Shift press 1-2 Edge:Available as firmness
Shift press 2-3 Edge:Available as firmness
Shift press 3-4 Edge:Available as firmness


When you look at them side by side, there isnt a lot of difference in my mind(especially if you have a basically stock truck). I second the jpdadeo comment about the comparisons are crap. Whatever makes you happy is the bottom line. I noticed this topic has ruffled a lot of feathers..
Now how about a group hug.....

 

I didn't purposely condense the Edge parameters, I just used what was listed in the manual since I don't have the actual device in front of me. The Xcal2 parameters I listed came directly from the device itself.

You are correct. They are very similar side by side. The 2 big differences being that the Edge has the display, and the Xcal2 comes with a custom tune. Other than that the functions are basically the same between the 2 devices.

It basically comes down to this. Would you rather have the display or the custom tunes?

 

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!!!!

Hey did you sell your Edge?

 

Thanks for your reply's everyone.

Have any of the Xcal2 folks made changes to the software after purchase? On the SCT site they have software avaliable:

SCT Live Load 3
Application: 9400 Custom Tuner or 9415 SF Strategy Flash Device
This program is designed for the end user to update their 9400 Xcalibrator Custom Tuned device with end user adjustability. You must receive the *.LLF file from your custom tuning dealer to program onto your Xcalibrator 2 flash tool. This program can also be used to convert a 9415 Strategy Flasher and turn it into a 9400 Custom tuner. Note: This is a ONE-WAY operation, and you cannot go back to the Pre-Loaded SF Flash Device.
It seems like purchasing the TP tunes would be a good starting point, and then use the above software to have my local tuner "fine tune" it to my vehicle on the dyno. Is this a viable option, or are the TP tunes locked to prevent post-purchase changes (other than the user defined options?)

 

The dealer that sells you the Xcal2 has the option to limit the user adjustments...I think Troyer and maybe some other tuners limit what adjustments are available...so make sure if you want to change paramaters you contact them...just because SCT says you can change them doesnt mean the tuner will let you

 

Hi MarkM3,

While there has been some useful feedback, it's a shame there are those with obvious agenda here that skew the reality.

For those who want more performance for these vehicles, they generally want the best - for those who actually pay attention to that sort of thing, they generally come to us as we have specialized in the performance tuning of the F-150 platform for far longer than *anyone* else - which is why we are hired by other chipmakers to help them with their products.

To answer your question, no, your local tuner is not going to be able to change our tunes - the only way they can do that is for us to literally hand them our raw files, which we would never do - that is handing them our 14+ years of F-150 tuning R&D on a platter -, so no, that isn't how it works, it's actually far simpler.

See, that is not even remotely necessary, as we *include* any fine-tuning adjustments required with our custom tuning package, and it's a simple email to you. Very easy to do, and we provide completely datalogging instructions written for the first-time user who knows noting about it, and all that you do is simply use your XCal 2 to get the data, along with a few pulls on your local dyno, and email that data back to us - then we email you back the adjustments - very simple.

So you don't have to pay anyone else to do even more tuning on top of what we do, all of that is *included* in our custom tuning package, and that is the only smart way to do it - otherwise you are paying for tuning twice by trying to get someone else involved.

Each vehicle owner needs to do whatever makes them happy of course - but if you want the best results in terms of actual performance improvement, overall driveability, a far more thorough tune, vastly improved shift characteristics, and all the other things that really make these vehicles come to life and more enjoyable to drive and useful, those people come to us for our custom tuning.

If you'd like to go over any of the details, please feel free to give us a call at our number listed below, & you'll get all the facts with no sales hype - we're happy to help - and we wish you the best of luck whatever you decide.

Thanks for your post, & best of luck with your truck!

 

...because I am tired of calculating my actual speed in my head to make sure I avoid speeding tickets. I have 35" Nittos

Hey, "six in one, half dozen the other."

They all accomplish the same thing basically. Some do certain things better. My point was basically the same as other people. There's really no point in arguing which is better. Like I said, we're not breaking land speed records here, so as long as a tuner makes you happy, then its a party for everyone, right?

 

So the edge has no ability to be customized?