Acetone for increased MPG?
Acetone for increased MPG?
I was wondering if anybody has reaserched this? I found a very detailed article on it if you are interested.
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm
I have just purchased an Xcal2 and want to know if it can show MPG directly on the unit or using Live link? Similar to this device http://www.scangauge.com/ . I would think it could.
Thank you in advance
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm
I have just purchased an Xcal2 and want to know if it can show MPG directly on the unit or using Live link? Similar to this device http://www.scangauge.com/ . I would think it could.
Thank you in advance
My first thought was to dismiss the guy as a quack but he doesn't sell anything and acetone is actually a part of many commercial fuel additives so you probably can't hurt anything with the ~3oz per 10gal concentrations he is recommending.
The only real concern that occurs to me is exhaust gas temperatures. I would definitely want to be able to monitor EGT before I did any towing with an additive that is likely to increase combustion temperatures.
As for monitoring MPG, there is no device that plugs into your vehicle that will accurately measure fuel economy while you are driving. The info available through the OBDII port is a "guesstimate" only.
If you want an accurate measurement you need to fill the tank, record the mileage, drive until almost empty and refill. Then divide the miles driven by the number of gallons needed to refill the tank.
The only real concern that occurs to me is exhaust gas temperatures. I would definitely want to be able to monitor EGT before I did any towing with an additive that is likely to increase combustion temperatures.
As for monitoring MPG, there is no device that plugs into your vehicle that will accurately measure fuel economy while you are driving. The info available through the OBDII port is a "guesstimate" only.
If you want an accurate measurement you need to fill the tank, record the mileage, drive until almost empty and refill. Then divide the miles driven by the number of gallons needed to refill the tank.
well i'm gonna throw some acetone on the fire...
acetone will not increase mileage...thats completely bogus
and i'm getting this from a article in the auto section of the boston sunday herald as i type...
doing this does nothing twards efficency according to a independant fuel systems engineer that was interviewed
he's aware of the rumors about acetone and mileage floating around on the web and says his equipment is precise to decect anything over 1 percent
no increase was reported whatsoever
he goes on to say
"adding acetone is worse than useless...its actually harmful..and while it will combust in a engine(in fact its high octane) acetone is a very powerful solvent. so while the acetone is sitting in your cars fuel system it'll eagerly be dissolving all the rubber components like gaskets and o-rings along the way"
"not to mention that most cars and trucks have a rubber hose that directs fuel to the tank and the raw acetone can and will eat the rubber thus contaminating the fuel and continue to eat away at the rubber hose"
i guess thats enough
...zap!
acetone will not increase mileage...thats completely bogus
and i'm getting this from a article in the auto section of the boston sunday herald as i type...
doing this does nothing twards efficency according to a independant fuel systems engineer that was interviewed
he's aware of the rumors about acetone and mileage floating around on the web and says his equipment is precise to decect anything over 1 percent
no increase was reported whatsoever
he goes on to say
"adding acetone is worse than useless...its actually harmful..and while it will combust in a engine(in fact its high octane) acetone is a very powerful solvent. so while the acetone is sitting in your cars fuel system it'll eagerly be dissolving all the rubber components like gaskets and o-rings along the way"
"not to mention that most cars and trucks have a rubber hose that directs fuel to the tank and the raw acetone can and will eat the rubber thus contaminating the fuel and continue to eat away at the rubber hose"
i guess thats enough
...zap!
Last edited by zapster; Jan 8, 2006 at 10:21 PM.
Well said, zapster.
NEVER put acetone in the fuel tank of your vehicle, it is highly caustic and can cause accelerated cylinder bore wear, etc.
the only way any "fuel" or "fuel additive" is ever going to increase actual fuel mileage, all else being equal, is to provide not only a proper fuel formulation, but also to provide a higher BTU content - meaning more BTU's per gallon of fuel - it's just about that simple.
Raw energy content (setting aside what type of vehicle, how the vehicle is driven and maintained for a minute) has far more to do with MPG than anything else - so if you want to get better mpg, run the highest quality fuels, those with the highest energy content. The way you find that out is to test 3 tanks of each brand/source of fuel, and the fuel that delivers the highest MPG under the same driving conditions is generally the fuel with the highest BTU content. Now you also have to do that at the same time of year, I.E., compare winterized fuels to winterized fuels, and summer blends to summer blends, as winterized fuels will ALWAYS cause a drop in fuel mileage due to a lower energy content.
Last - there are also performance mods you can do to improve MPG, such as electric fans & underdrive pulleys, and good tuning, as well as reducing restriction in the intake & exhaust sides - now this is assuming that you want to improve performance as well as the potential for better mpg, too.
NEVER put acetone in the fuel tank of your vehicle, it is highly caustic and can cause accelerated cylinder bore wear, etc.
the only way any "fuel" or "fuel additive" is ever going to increase actual fuel mileage, all else being equal, is to provide not only a proper fuel formulation, but also to provide a higher BTU content - meaning more BTU's per gallon of fuel - it's just about that simple.
Raw energy content (setting aside what type of vehicle, how the vehicle is driven and maintained for a minute) has far more to do with MPG than anything else - so if you want to get better mpg, run the highest quality fuels, those with the highest energy content. The way you find that out is to test 3 tanks of each brand/source of fuel, and the fuel that delivers the highest MPG under the same driving conditions is generally the fuel with the highest BTU content. Now you also have to do that at the same time of year, I.E., compare winterized fuels to winterized fuels, and summer blends to summer blends, as winterized fuels will ALWAYS cause a drop in fuel mileage due to a lower energy content.
Last - there are also performance mods you can do to improve MPG, such as electric fans & underdrive pulleys, and good tuning, as well as reducing restriction in the intake & exhaust sides - now this is assuming that you want to improve performance as well as the potential for better mpg, too.
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Originally Posted by HardcoreHehaw
Get out of here Zapster!!!
This is F-150 talk!!
J/k
This is F-150 talk!!
J/k

well just count my dump truck as a oversize pickup for the time being
the electric motor that runs the dump crapped out last week
now all that wood comes out like it goes in...by hand
...zap!
Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
Ouch!
That's a lot of work by hand!
That's a lot of work by hand!

yes..my back and shoulder remind me everytime
ok..enough with "hijacking" this thread..
take care guys
i'll be
...zap!
I agree that adding acetone is not going to increase your MPG at all, but it is not a "caustic" solvent. If you meant to say that it will erode the cylinder bore by increasing the burn temperature, then yeah. Acetone can be stored in a variety of containers: glass, certain plastics, and metal. We receive it everyday in drums. Acetone does however "extract" the plastisizers out of rubber and/or certain plastic tubing causing the material to become brittle and crack. But, 3 oz per gallon is not going to cause any major problems on rubber fuel lines. Heck, there are additives in most fuels that are more aggressive than acetone with no problems that I know of. All in all, it is a myth that needs busting, and it sounds like someone has already done the experiment. Your right, the higher the octane rating, the more potential energy to burn = better MPG.
Got news for ya all.
Octane has nothing to do with 'more potential energy to burn'.
It is resistance to knock and preignition or said another way controls the speed of flame propagation in the cylinder under combustion.
Octane has nothing to do with 'more potential energy to burn'.
It is resistance to knock and preignition or said another way controls the speed of flame propagation in the cylinder under combustion.
Originally Posted by Bluegrass
Got news for ya all.
Octane has nothing to do with 'more potential energy to burn'.
It is resistance to knock and preignition or said another way controls the speed of flame propagation in the cylinder under combustion.
Octane has nothing to do with 'more potential energy to burn'.
It is resistance to knock and preignition or said another way controls the speed of flame propagation in the cylinder under combustion.
Yup. Ditto.
Which explains why there can be such a disparity between equivalent octane-rated gasolines and their actual energy content ( BTU's/volume).
Leave the acetone for the ladie's fingernail polish removal. Stuff drives me nuts.
Cheers
Vic


