ok, well I put my order in for the Xcal2, AF1, and the Magnaflow on the way does anyone have dyno numbers with these mods? from what I read from Mr.Troyer's site AF1 makes around 25HP, and from what I have read here the Xcal2 can makes close to that. I'm just lookin for some dyno numbers ..... since I just put my order in for my Xcal2 I know I'm at the back of the line at Mr. Troyer's. The wait is killin me!! but I will be patient cuz I know it will be well worth the wait


2005

 

if you do hit the dyno dont be disapointed, all those numbers are off, cut them in half and that is what you will most likely see on the dyno (if you are lucky) just remember your 300 hp engine is at the flywheel so it really only makes alittle over 200 to the wheels, good luck

 

The questions running through your head are the same one's I had while waiting for my upgrades to come. Hope this info helps. Here are my dyno results for my truck:

2006 Lincoln Mark LT
5.4 3v
3.73 ls
AF1
Troyer XCAL2 93 Performance
no other modifications

240 hp
306 torque

I did not do a baseline on the dyno since these upgrades were done simply for better everyday driving.

Most of my driving is below 2000 rpm, and the truck reacts better from a standing start (even when not punching it). I now know what other mean by better pedal response, as the throttle gives you what you ask for now, with little to no delay.

I live in Atlanta, and when driving in the North Georgia Mountains the truck pulls much better going uphill - the annoying downshifts when you get as you get to the top of a hill are all but gone, and the cruise control holds it speed.

I haven't confirmed mileage yet, but the first tank (60/40 hiway/city) driving appears to be near the 17 range. This is an improvement from my stock mileage - which was in the 14-15 range with the same driving conditions. I drive on the conservative side.

Hope this info helps - I am very pleased with how everything worked out with the upgrades.

It would be great if other could post their actual results for their mods - as I spent many hours searching the threads to find this info. I realize some of it is out there, but it can be difficult to find and weed through. Great board with great info!

db

 

jdbak,

Thanks for the respond, you made pretty good numbers with just the Xcal2! And I guess I'll be the first to post my dyno numbers with these mods I'll have them posted as soon as I get all my stuff from Mr. Troyer I still have a good wait but I'll have all the dyno numbers soon after it all arives.

Matt

 

Hi Matt,

Thanks for your post!

There are some things you need to be aware of..............First - no, you won't be the first to post "dyno numbers" from your mods, that has been done a number of times before, as our Stage kits has existed for these vehicles for a good while now.

Also, remember, that unless you do your before & after "testing" on the same day and within a very narrow time period, meaning not more than 90 minutes and keeping accurate track of the exact temperature, humidity, barometric pressure & density altitude, you cannot get sufficient accuracy, it's really just numbers - I know that's a lot to take on, and most dynos will show those numbers, but they're also almost invariably dead wrong due to improper calibration of their data acquisition equipment. We have to deal with that all the time. SO just take a separate small weather station with you, and write down all those numbers on each dyno plot so you can compare them to what the dyno's equipment says.

Also, about the Air Force One - it's NOT going to give you a 25 HP increase in PEAK power, no intake is ever going to do that on these F-150's. What the AF1 does to the 5.4 3V F-150 is to add 20 Hp at the wheels at 2000 rpm, 25 Hp at 3000 rpm, and about 10 HP at the actual peak - so don't get your numbers confused, otherwise you'll be expecting to see some 65-70 Hp gain at the rear wheels just from tuning, intake & exhaust, which won't happen on a 5.4 3V F-150.

What we tell people on our web site is the result of our own properly controlled back-to-back testing. You also have to remember that no 2 vehicles are going to be exactly identical - some vehicles will show larger than normal gains, and some will show less, they can and do vary. There are a fair number of these 2004 & up F-150's that run lean from the factory, then there is the fuel quality and specifically, the BTU content of the fuel being used, etc. There are so many variables to all of this that make it far more than just going to a dyno & getting some numbers, so just be aware of that.

What we have to go thru to actually get solid before & after numbers is quite a bit of work, and involved procedures. And don't forget, you are not going to get the full power gains from tuning immediately - adaptive strategy has to do it's thing, and it's typical to pick up more power once the vehicle has accumulated some more drive cycles on it.

A 300 Hp 5.4 3V makes maybe about 210 Hp at the rear wheels to begin with - and on our premium gas tuning for the 5.4 3V, you generally see, depending on the dyno and all those variables such as one vehicle to the next, fuel quality, operator technique, etc., anywhere from 20 to 30+ HP gains at the rear wheels. On Mac Carpenter's truck, he came in at 210 HP, and we added the tuning and the AF1 within a 40 minute time period, and came out with 250 Hp at the rear wheels - he got about 30 HP from our tuning, and about 10 Hp from the AF1 - but then we have also seen some vehicles make 10 HP more, and some make 10 Hp less than what he made.

The point being, never think of power numbers or modifications or even dynos as some "absolute," as they aren't. The best you can do is to use the best parts in each area of modification, and whatever you get from them is whatever you get on each vehicle. This is all just some brief FYI info to let you know that a lot of people have done this very same thing, dyno'd their Stage 1 kits - and you have to actually know proper testing procedures to get accurate results, which is something that very few vehicles owners overall know how to do, and in reality, not every shop owner knows how to do this either, that may not be what they are used to doing, whereas we do a lot of R&D, so we have solid procedures for eliminating as many variables as possible.

This is just a little perspective for you, along with giving you a more accurate picture on the Air Force One, etc. It makes HUGE gains down low, right where they are needed, but in terms of where PEAK power actually occurs, which is anywhere from 4700-5200 rpm on the 5.4 3V depending on how it's modified assuming stock heads, the gain at the peak is about 10 HP from the AF1 as long as the A/F ratio is correct.

Last - please make sure you do all your datalogging as described in our docs while you are on the dyno, as your vehicle will need some tuning adjustments to make everything dead-nuts on - that is the whole purpose of doing the datalogging, OK?

Please feel free to call us if you have any questions about this, & best of luck!

 

25HP @ 3000 RPM? I'd have to see the dyno at work to believe that.
Also, the stock rating of the Lincoln is 300HP. If you wipe a 25% loss for auto tranny and driveline, you're still at 225HP.

Either then Ford severely overstates HP numbers, or somebody's dyno isn't functioning correctly

Assuming the 210HP number, thats associating a 30% loss due to the automatic!!! I can't believe that 1)it would be acceptable 2) that todays auto's couldn't show a better transfer than that!

My 98 SOHC 5.4 was rated at 230HP, but produced 206 on the dyno. Am I to believe that the transmissions have gone that far downhill in 8 years? Essentially, from 230 to 206 is a 10% loss. SOmewhere, somebody has gotten some figures extremely screwed up, and I ain't pointin any fingers but come on, an additonal 20% of loss in 8 years of advancement?>

 

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