I posted this in the '04-'06 forum....

I would like to thank the Mike Troyer and his staff for the great customer service and hard work.

I am not trying to start any flame wars here. Keep in mind I think MT is the A number 1 tuner for the F150 .....PERIOD....

Here is what I posted....

My Opinion TP Xcal(2) vs. Edge......

I will try to be as unbiased as possible. I had the Xcal, now have the Xcal2 and the Edge.

Number one I will have to say from an overall high performance standpoint the Troyer tuned Xcal2 is the winner, from the seat of the pants point of view. Not by much but it is there. The Edge seems to fit MY style of driving better. I have a 4x4 and the adjustment of shift points and throttle control suits me best with the Edge. I have been running 91 octane fuel for about 6 months now. The Edge seems to have a better lower rpm grunt than the Xcal2. In all fairness I know MT could give that as well. I have used his tunes for over 5 years and a few different vehicles. I have not datalogged yet (about 2 months from now I will) but when I datalog MT will produce a tune and driveability to my liking without doubt. That tune will be above and beyond what the Edge can produce. I am not taking anything away from the Edge tuner, it is still a great "Off the shelf" product. The old adage still remains intact, "If you want the best tune possible, then it must be custom".

It seems there are certain caveats with either setup. The Edge gives you better control AND local visibilty of parameters...period. A MT custom tune WILL give you the best performance period....

All that being said, it depends on what you want and what time and money you are willing to invest for your driving experience. The Edge is a great product for most people, no disparaging remarks intended. However, if you want the absolute most, wrung out horsepower tuning, then custom tuning is what it's all about.

I do like my Edge for the "bling" factor because I can monitor most of the parameters and I can setup alerts for those parameters.

My final statement is you want a great "canned" tune then buy the Edge but if you really want the best tune then go Troyer performance.

It's your call.....

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation whatsoever with either Edge or Troyer Performance.

I will keep my Edge until I dyno my truck then most likely I will get back to my Troyer tune.

 

ROCK ON....

 

Tigga,
Canyonslicker was just giving honest feedback in a forum. He was not slamming troyer, in fact, he was HIGHLY complimentary. If you have a hangup regarding the subject matter at hand, don't read it. There may have been cheap shots taken at Mike in some other discussions on this forum, direct your wrath there instead of hijacking a good and informative post. Troyer has proved he knows how to defend himself in these posts, you shouldnt feel the need to defend him.

Regarding my brief experiences with my Edge programmer, it blows away my Superchips 1714 hiPerf tune. Plain and simple. Excellent write up Canyonslicker, BTW. When you get the dyno session, make sure they have the device that will lock the torque converter in second gear (As mentioned in the Edge manual). It will be interesting to see the differences in overall power output.

 

In canyonslicker’s write up, he clearly says the Xca2 with TP’s tunes, in his opinion, delivered better performance. I can’t make a comparison between the two because I started out with the XCal and now have the XCal2, but I can say I’m completely satisfied with the performance gain; it turned out to be much more than I expected. Then again, I can see why there is so much fascination with the Edge, on screen display /with adjustability and all that stuff, but for my use that would be superfluous.

I want to set it and forget it

 

Hey Tiiga83, what proof do you have that the Edge is more dangerous for your engine than the XCal2?

I want to know because I am a potential buyer of a performance chip after my engine is broken in and want all the facts.

 

My apologies canyonslicker, I should have read your post a little better...it was a good comparison, which is why I edited my reply with the always welcome... ...rock on man. Anyways, back to the subject, KD1...the proof that I have that I would probably mess up my engine with the edge programmer is the fact that i'm a dumb a$$.... ...jp, but seriously, In my opinion, I feel safer having my truck being programmed by a Tuner like Mike who knows just what he's doing, and has had years of experience....than being tuned by myself as is the case with the EDGE programmer. I haven't the first clue on what parameters would be good for my truck....i guess whatever suits your needs better is the way to go. After all, when it's all said in done...we all Love our F-150's just as much as the next guy and want only the best for our trucks, so just do your research and you'll make your pick.

 

I have the Edge Evolution programmer, and the XC2.
I bought the Edge about six months ago, before I got the performance sickness, and I was happy with the seat of the pants gains.
When the XC2 started to ship, I got one with Troyer tunes, and it was seat of the pants just better, particularly with mid range power and shifting.

Now, I have sent my XC2 back to Mike for Supercharger tunes and firmware updates, and reloaded with the Edge programmer..... now the difference is even more apparent..... the Edge is hollow by comparison to the XC2.
Mike, please tune faster.

I will be getting retunes via e-mail in the future, as I datalog and make other changes, while relying on Mike's expertise to protect me from myself. This expertise and the customization of the tuning is more important to me.

The display features with the new New Edge are nice, but I have a column mounted air/fuel guage that will interface with the XC2 and my lap top, and with the other gauges and Sat radio display, I have enough to look at.

 

Hey Canyonslicker thanks for the comparison,from everything I have read so far on this site on both products I would have assumed pretty much the same thing without even owning either.Nice to hear the truth from an unbiased party.

 

That’s a heavy duty looking ****** ya got there rpkiwi; I like it

 

Thanks,that is where all my money is going at the moment.That picture is from last year,it now has a 3 inch chop and suicide doors.Will be going in for paint at the end of the month.

 

ONEWOLF...

I think you are assuming the the Edge for the 04-06's are tuned the exact as the one you have for a 98 truck. Think you might be comparing apples to oranges..

 

runnerbl-
By the way, it's one low F.
I did not realise that the latest release from Edge was still called an Evolution, and did not mean to compare the new version with the XC2 as I have no experience with it...... and I don't use the word exact.

 

Hi All,

Just an update. I like the Edge performance and it's display functions but I will be using my MT Xcal2.

The MT tune gives me more of what I want in performance. It idles better but I would like to get the light throttle shifting improved to my taste. This will be after my dyno run around the end of next month. Yes I will dyno with both Edge and Xcal2 from a curiosity stand point.

I think both are GREAT products. I feel a little nervous adjusting parameters with the Edge not knowing what exactly it is doing to my drivetrain. Until I can conclusively address my fears with hard data, I won't be "tweaking" it much. I would rather spend 2 grand on mods instead of a new engine/tranny.

I could get the LM-1 Wideband 02 sensor and datalog but it would not give me hp numbers like a dyno.

I wish you all good luck and hope you enjoy whatever tuner you have.

 

canyonslicker-
Thank you for your objective and coherent posts.
I have the LM-1 connected full time with the gauge and it is fun.
IMO it is a better long term buy than dyno time, which could become a recurring expense and an inconvenience. LOL