Mike when you get the time read please
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Mike when you get the time read please
Me and my F-150 online brothren are trying to see if you would have the time to do a dyno day here in sunny warm So. Cal., my question to you is what do we need to do to make this happen as far as numbers of vehicles, tuners sold that kind of thing also how much would it cost per person if say we had 30 ind. as far as new tune with tuner, touch up tune already has tuner, and the cost for your trip and stay, this would not include the dyno time that is something we would take care of, if you have a shop you have dealt with before let us know so we can contact them, and anything else we need to take into consideration. aslo if you were to do this when would be a good time for you? this does not to be a set date just something so we have a idea, thanks for your time Mike 
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Hi BT311,
As you may have already seen (or maybe not?), this is being discussed in a few different threads over the past couple of weeks or so, and I have responded that if we can come to terms that work for everyone, we can come out there for a tuning session.
Also, while I'm thinking of it, just a quick general FYI - any time anyone wants to communicate with us in a "timely" manner, the thing to do is to call us so we can speak much quicker - with everything I have to do, unfortunately, I just can't get to every question in every thread here every day (as much as I'd like to be able to!), or I'd never get anything else done - and our staff is already constantly telling me I spend way too much time here typing!
All kidding aside, the reality is that this is something that will need to be worked out privately, off the boards. There are numerous things to consider, just as you mentioned in your post - the various lodging, transportation, timeframe, number of vehicles, etc issues to be worked out.
My suggestion is for all of those who are interested to perhaps get together and designate someone to be the "point man" on this - and then whoever that is (you, for example?), give us a call to go over all of the various details and get it worked out.
One other option that you might want to consider is this - set up a day (or two) where you have the dyno time booked, and I can be available on this end - in other words, we would go ahead and do a baseline tune for everyone up front and send them their XCal 2's to load up their baseline tuning, then as each individual vehicle is datalogged on the dyno, email that data to me (the XCal 2 raw files & the dyno sheets for each pull faxed over), and I will analyze the data & make the appropriate changes for each vehicle immediately, email them right back, and each owner can load their new tunes & re-test them so that each vehicle is doing what it's supposed to do and running at it's best - I can set time aside to do that, and talk on the phone with the dyno operator and each vehicle owner too if need be, to coach them thru the datalogging (we can make this very easy with everyone's XCal 2's - heck, there really only needs to be one XCal 2 and then the dyno getting the A/F's), and I can literally tune them just as well, and I mean spot-on, doing it that way - it would get done just as quick, and just as well, and then you would avoid the expense of the travel & lodging, etc., to save everyone money. This is just a thought to consider, and something that we have done a number of times - we're very much used to tuning vehicles spot-on without having to physically be there, we're quite used to doing that. All that requires is the dyno facility, a phone line, a PC running Windows XP (a laptop would be ideal,and I'm sure at least one person form the group owns a laptop), and the ability to send and receive emails on your end there at the dyno. That way, it can also be done much sooner, too - again, it's just a thought, if that might appeal to you.
If you'd like to explore that option, we can go over exactly how that would work, too - usually most people opt for that way, as it's cheaper for the group with no hotels, plane flights & meals, etc., and the vehicles will be tuned every bit as well.
So that is one option yo might want to give thought to - if you like it when we talk about it over the phone, then fine - and if not, then no problem, we'll just work out me actually flying out there, whatever works best for all of you!
Thanks for your post, & talk to you soon!
As you may have already seen (or maybe not?), this is being discussed in a few different threads over the past couple of weeks or so, and I have responded that if we can come to terms that work for everyone, we can come out there for a tuning session.
Also, while I'm thinking of it, just a quick general FYI - any time anyone wants to communicate with us in a "timely" manner, the thing to do is to call us so we can speak much quicker - with everything I have to do, unfortunately, I just can't get to every question in every thread here every day (as much as I'd like to be able to!), or I'd never get anything else done - and our staff is already constantly telling me I spend way too much time here typing!
All kidding aside, the reality is that this is something that will need to be worked out privately, off the boards. There are numerous things to consider, just as you mentioned in your post - the various lodging, transportation, timeframe, number of vehicles, etc issues to be worked out.
My suggestion is for all of those who are interested to perhaps get together and designate someone to be the "point man" on this - and then whoever that is (you, for example?), give us a call to go over all of the various details and get it worked out.
One other option that you might want to consider is this - set up a day (or two) where you have the dyno time booked, and I can be available on this end - in other words, we would go ahead and do a baseline tune for everyone up front and send them their XCal 2's to load up their baseline tuning, then as each individual vehicle is datalogged on the dyno, email that data to me (the XCal 2 raw files & the dyno sheets for each pull faxed over), and I will analyze the data & make the appropriate changes for each vehicle immediately, email them right back, and each owner can load their new tunes & re-test them so that each vehicle is doing what it's supposed to do and running at it's best - I can set time aside to do that, and talk on the phone with the dyno operator and each vehicle owner too if need be, to coach them thru the datalogging (we can make this very easy with everyone's XCal 2's - heck, there really only needs to be one XCal 2 and then the dyno getting the A/F's), and I can literally tune them just as well, and I mean spot-on, doing it that way - it would get done just as quick, and just as well, and then you would avoid the expense of the travel & lodging, etc., to save everyone money. This is just a thought to consider, and something that we have done a number of times - we're very much used to tuning vehicles spot-on without having to physically be there, we're quite used to doing that. All that requires is the dyno facility, a phone line, a PC running Windows XP (a laptop would be ideal,and I'm sure at least one person form the group owns a laptop), and the ability to send and receive emails on your end there at the dyno. That way, it can also be done much sooner, too - again, it's just a thought, if that might appeal to you.
If you'd like to explore that option, we can go over exactly how that would work, too - usually most people opt for that way, as it's cheaper for the group with no hotels, plane flights & meals, etc., and the vehicles will be tuned every bit as well.
So that is one option yo might want to give thought to - if you like it when we talk about it over the phone, then fine - and if not, then no problem, we'll just work out me actually flying out there, whatever works best for all of you!
Thanks for your post, & talk to you soon!
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So what do you think guys?? Mike in-person or over the phone. Over the phone would be alot cheaper, and if he can tune it just as good, then... On the other hand, it would be ideal to have Mike right there with us... How does everyone else feel?
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Naturally it would be cooler if Mike could make our event but I don't have a problem with him doing things remotely. We just need a dyno shop that knows enough about the tuning process that they can operate smoothly without Mike directing things. I was reading where 05SilverFX4 took a nice leisurely 4 hours to get his done. That would be nice but somehow I think we'll have to go a wee bit faster if we want to get our 15 or so participants done in one weekend.
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it took me about 3 hours to get my data logging done and about 9 pulls on the dyno, 3 power pulls on each tune and then all the no load data logging in vereus RPM it is a lengthy process, i dont think there is anyway we could do it in a weekend with that many people, my dyno shop was on and off the phone with Mike alot also, i dont think i would be a good canadate for setting this whole thing up as i am a Marine and i am in and out of the feild alot doing training ops were i cant be reached, i can be the list keeper and stuff but i dont have the time to set it all up, any of you guys want to take the reigns on this and do all the leg work and talk to Mike about this, i already have all the proper tuning and data logging done on my vehicle, i just thought it would be cool to have Mike be there to do the tuning on my truck when i got it supercharged, so what do you guys think, have Mike do it over the phone or pay the cost to have him come out? i personaly think it would be out of my price range to have him come out and pay for his tickets lodging food etc., what do you guys think?
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it took me about 3 hours to get my data logging done and about 9 pulls on the dyno, 3 power pulls on each tune and then all the no load data logging in vereus RPM it is a lengthy process, i dont think there is anyway we could do it in a weekend with that many people, my dyno shop was on and off the phone with Mike alot also, i dont think i would be a good canadate for setting this whole thing up as i am a Marine and i am in and out of the feild alot doing training ops were i cant be reached, i can be the list keeper and stuff but i dont have the time to set it all up, any of you guys want to take the reigns on this and do all the leg work and talk to Mike about this, i already have all the proper tuning and data logging done on my vehicle, i just thought it would be cool to have Mike be there to do the tuning on my truck when i got it supercharged, so what do you guys think, have Mike do it over the phone or pay the cost to have him come out? i personaly think it would be out of my price range to have him come out and pay for his tickets lodging food etc., what do you guys think?
What Dyno did you use and how much did it cost to get your truck dialed in? Im thinking if they have already dealt with Mike over the phone they will know what he wants and it wont take as long as yours did.
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What Dyno did you use and how much did it cost to get your truck dialed in? Im thinking if they have already dealt with Mike over the phone they will know what he wants and it wont take as long as yours did.
What Dyno did you use and how much did it cost to get your truck dialed in? Im thinking if they have already dealt with Mike over the phone they will know what he wants and it wont take as long as yours did.
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Hi Fellas,
Keep in mind that was just a thought - and remember, the dyno facility does NOT need to be an SCT dealer, so it can be ANY dyno facility, all they need to be able to do is to do proper dyno pulls and test the A/F's - you guys will be datalogging using the XCal 2 and a Windows XP-based PC, which will also be how you'll get the tuning changes and your datalogging emailed back and forth to us, so this can really work very smoothly.
All that is required is for someone to have a Windows-based PC (preferably a laptop as that is easiest fort datalogging), as one PC can be used to load the tuning changes we make for everyone and send & receive the emails with us standing by all day or all of 2 days or however long it takes based on how many vehicles are to be done - no special equipment is needed when we're tuning the vehicles using either the original XCalibrator (9300) or the XCalibrator 2 (9400)!
For example, for those who do not have their XCal 2 yet, what we would do is to go ahead and do our "baseline' custom tuning for each of those vehicles and ship the unit out in advance - and then when everyone goes to whatever dyno, as each vehicle is datalogged we simply make whatever changes are needed and email the new tunes to your PC there.
And for those we have already tuned who already have their XCal 1 or 2, again, they just put their vehicle on the dyno and do the datalogging using someone's XCal 2 and the Windows XP-based PC, and email me that info, and again, I simply email the changes, as in most cases I still have the original tuning files.
For anyone who has been tuned by someone else and wants our tuning, it would just be a fee for our tuning services, and we would again do baseline tuning in advance and send those files to the vehicle owner to load them into their XCal unit, etc.
For each person, we would have them complete our CPW's (Custom Program Worksheets) just like normal ahead of time, so we will know whose tuning we have to do from scratch, who we have already done the "baseline" tuning for to make sure we still have those files or make new ones if we don't (or if they are too old for our current databases, etc.), and get the baseline tuning done in advance so that everything goes smoothly.
If memory serves, I think "Bigtruck311" is Jesse C., and if so, I think I do remember you being in the service, so that may affect your ability to serve as "point man" - it really doesn't matter who does that, again, it's just a good idea to have all of you decide on someone to serve as point man for this, so that we can coordinate everything with one individual - and of course, anyone who has any questions should feel free to call us directly as well, we're happy to talk with anyone.
So just a few more basics on the idea of us doing this for you guys quicker, without the expense of me actually flying out with all the tuning equipment & laptops, staying in a hotel, meals, etc., if that works for you guys. And if not, if you prefer to have me come out, then we'll work that out, too!
Keep in mind that was just a thought - and remember, the dyno facility does NOT need to be an SCT dealer, so it can be ANY dyno facility, all they need to be able to do is to do proper dyno pulls and test the A/F's - you guys will be datalogging using the XCal 2 and a Windows XP-based PC, which will also be how you'll get the tuning changes and your datalogging emailed back and forth to us, so this can really work very smoothly.
All that is required is for someone to have a Windows-based PC (preferably a laptop as that is easiest fort datalogging), as one PC can be used to load the tuning changes we make for everyone and send & receive the emails with us standing by all day or all of 2 days or however long it takes based on how many vehicles are to be done - no special equipment is needed when we're tuning the vehicles using either the original XCalibrator (9300) or the XCalibrator 2 (9400)!
For example, for those who do not have their XCal 2 yet, what we would do is to go ahead and do our "baseline' custom tuning for each of those vehicles and ship the unit out in advance - and then when everyone goes to whatever dyno, as each vehicle is datalogged we simply make whatever changes are needed and email the new tunes to your PC there.
And for those we have already tuned who already have their XCal 1 or 2, again, they just put their vehicle on the dyno and do the datalogging using someone's XCal 2 and the Windows XP-based PC, and email me that info, and again, I simply email the changes, as in most cases I still have the original tuning files.
For anyone who has been tuned by someone else and wants our tuning, it would just be a fee for our tuning services, and we would again do baseline tuning in advance and send those files to the vehicle owner to load them into their XCal unit, etc.
For each person, we would have them complete our CPW's (Custom Program Worksheets) just like normal ahead of time, so we will know whose tuning we have to do from scratch, who we have already done the "baseline" tuning for to make sure we still have those files or make new ones if we don't (or if they are too old for our current databases, etc.), and get the baseline tuning done in advance so that everything goes smoothly.
If memory serves, I think "Bigtruck311" is Jesse C., and if so, I think I do remember you being in the service, so that may affect your ability to serve as "point man" - it really doesn't matter who does that, again, it's just a good idea to have all of you decide on someone to serve as point man for this, so that we can coordinate everything with one individual - and of course, anyone who has any questions should feel free to call us directly as well, we're happy to talk with anyone.
So just a few more basics on the idea of us doing this for you guys quicker, without the expense of me actually flying out with all the tuning equipment & laptops, staying in a hotel, meals, etc., if that works for you guys. And if not, if you prefer to have me come out, then we'll work that out, too!