I'm still trying to gather all the info I can before I buy a chip/programer.

I have a KR F150 '03 with 36k. We bought it to tow our trailer camper; so we decided to purchase the extended warranty from Chrysler. According to the dealer it's a much better warranty than Ford has. Anyway, will putting one of these chips on, void the warranty? If you take it out to have any service work done can they tell if it's been chipped? I've been told that it shows up as a code 6 on the OBDII system??? I have no idea. Does anyone else out there have any input?

Thanks in advance,

Sidecar Rich

 

Try a search. This has been discussed many times.

https://www.f150online.com/forums/se...searchid=99568

 

I believe you're going to find it depends on the dealership, some will tell you your warranty will be void, others say it will not.

I asked the service manager at my dealership if I installed a programmer would my warranty be void. I was told "no". As a matter of fact the parts counter had 1714's for sale. Of course they had the dealer price on them also. My x-cal was less expensive and is a better tuner .

 

nope, the XCal2 doesn't void warranty

 

Only if they can prove that the aftermarket product was the cause for any failure.

 

Not exactly. Any device that increases horsepower also increases wear and stress on moving parts. That increase is reasonable grounds to deny warranty coverage for items that are so affected and which subsequently break.

 

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at my dealership we decide if we are going to provide warranty on car/truck...if the failed part "could" be damage by the mod/tune then we have the power to decline the warranty...we have had Ford reps give us the power to do this...if the motor/tranny went after installing mods...how are you going to say its a part defect or it was from adding the mod/tune?...aftermarket warrantys wont pay either if they know there is a power adder or tune in the vehicle....when the Eagle talons first came out(awd turbo's) ppl started modding them right away...and they would blow timing belts left and right..they wouldnt get any warranty coverage on the motors since they modded them

I belive we only had 1 or 2 times that we declined the warranty and both times they were from abuse of having mods installed...both were tranny failures(F250SD's) with aftermarket tuners installed...I think one was a Edge and the other a Bulldog system

 

New people have old questions.

A link to previously discussed topic would be more helpful than telling someone to do a "search".

The search function IS a very helpful feature. Not only for new folks to the forum, but to people who have been here for quite some time.

But, a "search" CAN bring up all sorts of other posts that a new person will have to wade through to find what he needs. It can lead to confusion.

Just a little courtesy from a guy who moderates another internet forum.

Joey

 

http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=50096

 

That’s not exactly a true statement. It may or may not. It all depends on the dealer and the Ford rep that gets called out to look at the vehicle should a warranty repair be needed.

The fact of the matter is NOBODY can say for a “fact” if any modification will void a part of the warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act does NOT give any owner a right to do as they please with their vehicle, modification wise, and still be protected by the manufactures warranty.

The act, in its general sense, protects an owner from the manufacture forcing the owner from using the manufactures parts exclusively, unless the manufacture provides those parts free of charge. For example, Ford can not force you to use their oil filters “unless” they provide them to you free of charge.

The bottom line is the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act does not state in any way, shape, or form that you can modify your motor, be it from a tune and/or aftermarket parts and then expect the manufacture to repair it free of charge. The act protects BOTH owner and manufacture.

If the act really did what some people think it does then someone could bolt up a blower to a stock 5.4 and when the motor blew up expect Ford to cover the repairs. Not going to happen EVER…

Now, if you get a tune from someone like Mike you really have nothing to worry about. He has many years experience and of the years I have been here I have NEVER read one post about someone blowing up a motor with his tunes nor have I read any negative post about his tunes. You can rest assured if you purchase an Xcal2 from Mike and have him tune your vehicle you will not have to worry about warranty repairs due to a bad tune.

Again, the bottom line is don’t just expect “anybody” to give you a reliable tune, you could get something that blows your motor up and leaves you footing the bill. If you want to be safe go with Mike, otherwise buy at your own risk…

 

If only life were that simple. The fact is, it's not Mike's call whether a modified vehicle will be covered by warranty, regardless of how "safe" his product might be. The dealer, as a representative of the factory, will have sole option in that decision, and if you try to force them to cover it, you'll have a long, hard, uphill legal battle ahead. Even if Mike's tune didn't cause the crank to crack, or the piston to seize, or rod to break (or whatever has gone wrong), it's extremely unlikely anyone can prove to the satisfaction of experts that it was incapable of doing so. In other words, even if the factory can't prove a direct link, they can certainly demonstrate risk, and that greatly weakens the consumer's case. Q: How much courtside legal time can one buy for the cost of a replacement engine? A: Not enough to win this case!

 

Sidecar

Not trying to be funny here, but the extended warranty will not keep your truck safe. Pulling your camper trailer out of the Missouri River valley there on I-90, will require a very good tranny cooler if you want that auto tranny to live..........You list SD as where you live.

enb

 

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I agree with you and what I met to imply by my post was that Mike provides safe tunes. I based that on the years I have been here and “never” reading a post about someone blowing a motor with Mike’s tune or any other negative post about his tunes.

However, you are right, just because it may be tuned by Mike and something happens because of another defect that Mike’s product did not cause the owner could still find themselves footing the bill.

That is just reality because the fact of the matter is nobody can guarantee anything when it comes to performance parts that are intended to modify the original design of a manufactures vehicle. Once that design is modified, through computer programming (tune) or any other part the warranty is up in the air and there is NO law in NO state that will protect the consumer against the manufacture denying part of a warranty based on a possibility an aftermarket modification caused the damage.

The rule of thumb is:

If you’re going to play you better be ready to pay. Simply accept the fact that once you modify a part of your vehicle that part of the warranty is gone. If you do that their will be no heart break if a dealer denies a warranty claim. If they accept it and pay for it then that’s great…