Hi sranger,

Thanks for your kind words - that means a lot to everyone here at Troyer Performance.

What our Stage 1 & 2 kits do for the 5.4 3V F-150's performance is rather surprising for the cost - the before & after results definitely make them a bang-for-the-buck winner. It's a matter of doing the R&D to determine which components really work best as a "system," as opposed to just throwing on parts - and then of course, the tuning to bring it all together.

While I'd never say a stock or close-to-stock 2.5-3 ton F-150 is a competitor to a stock 2005 300 HP Mustang due to the obvious weight & aero disadvantages, line up a stock '05 Mustang against one of our Stage 1 or Stage 2 5.4 3V F-150's in the 1/8th mile and the gap is not nearly as much as one would tend to think - though of course the Mustang will win.

For example, we have customers with 2WD 5.4 3V F-150's (regular cab) running just our Stage 1 kit with 4.10 gears and turning low 14's (14.3's, 14.4's) in the 1/4 mile - pretty darned impressive for a 5000 lb truck. I forget the gentleman's screen name here (forgive me, I think it's "Hotrod" something or another), but one of our customers posted his 14.35 ET here a few weeks ago - running 4.10's and our Stage 1 kit (tuning, intake & exhaust).

Anyway - yes, we can do the tuning for your 2005 Mustang, and one VERY important thing you'll want to know right away is that for ANY change to the air intake tract in that car, you will have to have detailed custom tuning done to make a new MAF transfer function to avoid running lean - so BEFORE you purchase an intake kit (if possible), I suggest contacting us so we can go over that with you, as we do have specific recommendations as to intake kits for the 2005 Mustang. Just wanted to make you aware of the intake situation, and not to rush into buying just any intake kit for that 2005 Mustang until we talk (again, if possible - just a suggestion).

Have fun!

 

I am certianly going to talk to you guys before I buy anything for the car. I am not sold on any particular intake system yet. I am aware that the computer is VERY sensitive to changes in the intake. Just removing the factory carbon trap in the stock intake makes it run very lean....

 

Yep - the carbon trap has been the subject of a ton of discussion and some significant R&D as well. However, as you probably already know, even leaving the carbon trap in place (as many CAI's do for the 2005 Mustang) will result is a lean condition with any intake kit on the market so far, so it's not *just* the carbon trap, it's the installation of *any* aftermarket air intake tract on the 4.6 3V Mustangs that causes the lean condition - then removing the carbon trap, either in addition to, or by itself, will *also* cause a lean condition.

Sounds like you're accumulating a nice collection of FoMoCo vehicle's, by the way!

 

It's not a matter of getting any additional performance from the vehicle, if that is what you are wondering.

It's the additional *features* in the XCal 2, and in that aspect it's a way cool device - right now it's primarily it's ability to datalog even the newest CAN vehicles like the 2004 & up 5.4 3V F-150. There are numerous other detailed technical aspects like the ability to update it's firmware via the Internet (that really doesn't affect you in any meaningful way since you are already tuned), etc.

Drop by our web site and take a look at the details on it there, & give us a call if you want to go over anything on this in detail.

 

Can I ask why the price is so high? $499 seems like a lot for the Xcal-2. I also own a supercharged SVT Focus, and am considering a Xcal-2. However, the premier US focus tuner offers it for $349 (albeit with only one tune--each extra is $25), providing tunes, email support etc. I understand it is a data logger etc, but regardless it seems like a lot. Have you ever thought about a lower price point with only one tune, and the option for more later? For instnace, I would buy it tomorrow with only one tune if it was 349, and I would pay 25-50 no problem for additional tunes later. Just curious, I know you are running a business and I am not trying to bust your chops. Myself, I am a surgeon, and have to deal with governmental price fixing, and at the least envy your position to set your own price, which I do respect.

 

No, us discussing or posting any specific product pricing is strictly against the rules of F-150 Online here, as virtually everyone here knows.

Actually, if you had bothered to read any of the detailed information listed for the 9400 on our web site (which is where you got that price info which doesn't even apply to F-150 Online members in the first place), then you would have *instantly* seen numerous additional facts that we painstakingly point out in detail - not the least of which is the fact that registered members of F-150 Online get a special additional discount on that product (and all other tuning products) that nobody else gets on our Troyer Performance custom tuning.

I quote - "For further details, give us a call today at (540) 862-9515 - and remember, if you are a REGISTERED member of F-150 Online (www.f150online.com), you receive a special discount on our Troyer Performance custom tuning when you order the Xcalibrator 2 (that does NOT apply to any other products) - so give us a call with your F-150 Online registered Screen Name!"

Odd how you claim to be so concerned about price yet paid no attention to the actual information listed right there clearly pointing out how F-150 Online members get a special discount - and then go on to break the rules here by posting specific pricing of ours that doesn't even apply to F-150 Online members to begin with, and then even further, try to tell me how we should be conducting our business like those rot-bottom low ballers who have nowhere near our platform or tuning expertise and thus can only operate based on price - and of course, *never* get the results we do.

Yeah, we really hate the fact that our customers get the best F-series tuning available from us, and the fact that they have come to trust us for exactly that for the past 14 years.............guess we really failed everyone there, eh? (obviously I'm teasing a bit with you here)

I'll make it very simple - your post was out of line, IMHO. Those who shop for tuning based on price are those who generally also know virtually nothing about whose parts/tuning/services actually do what, or how to properly modify any computer-controlled vehicle, etc. Many who fall into that category deserve what they get in most cases, yet it's always those very same people who always end up calling us begging for free Tech Support to get their problems straighted out. And they get told that when they are ready to PAY us for our expertise, then they'll get that expertise. Which usually results in them slinking away and selling the vehicle at a huge loss because they can't get anyone to make it run right free - because they blew what little money they had on crap parts/cheap "tuning"/whatever other services to begin with. We see that literally every single day here.

Our customers don't play those dumb games - they come to us because they *trust*us - they know our expertise, how much testing and R&D we do, and how well we bend over backwards to take care of them. They are intelligent people who do their homework and contact us for our recommendations, etc., so they can make their decisions from a properly *INFORMED* position, and not make any mistakes in their choices. Anything less just isn't a really smart approach IMHO, and can in many cases cause problems sooner or later.

Please understand, I really don't mean to sound like a jerk - believe it or not truly, I don't. Heck, if we got together over a cup of coffee or a ****tail, we'd probably get along great! Its' just that I feel your post here is way out of line, and you are poorly informed on this specific topic - partly from not paying attention to the very information you called into question and is clearly listed o our web site. Then trying to tell me all about how we should do like the low-ball operators pull their shenanigans isn't even remotely appropriate - just as I would never think of being so arrogant as to try giving you surgical advice, an area where I have no expertise - you get my point.

So I can only hope I've managed to point the point home in a manner that will hopefully make you understand that how you are going to about evaluating this is wrong, without you thinking I'm a total jackass - and if I've failed in that, my sincere apologies.

In any case, I wish you well, and if you want to go over any of this intelligently, give us a call at our number listed below.

 

Troyer et al---

I am sorry that you think my post was out of line. I thought I was asking in a polite way, and in fact I am very well informed about the product, indeed having read your website's info etc, and nearly everything posted on this site. I also know that you guys provide great service, as seen by the numerous members who give you great reviews. In fact, I cant recall even one member with a negative overall review of your service/products. I did not however know that you could not post about prices. I have seen prices quoted quite a few times.

That being said, I still think it is a fair question. The other tuner that I know that sells if for significantly cheaper provides the SAME level of service as you, and in fact are the bar none the premier focus aftermarket people in the country. SVT, Ford Racing, etc actually deal directly with them due to their reputation. So I think to base your arguement on quality doesn't necessarily hold a lot of water.

I am not asking you to drop your prices, etc, on your current product. What I was wondering is if you ever considered a different price point for one tune only. I thought that is was a fair question. I guess not.

Look, I realize this is not something that I am going to "win" or really should be vetted anymore in a public forum. And, like I said the first post, I am not trying to bust your chops, just asking an honest question. I'll give you guys a call sometime and maybe we can talk more then.

Eamon

 

eoreilly your really in for it now. I guess you didn't read what Mike just posted, go back and read it a little more carefully and slooowly. Maybe then you will realize the reason for the price difference, you get what you pay for . If you still don't understand then by your Xcaliber from somewhere else.

 

orlando maybe it is you who should read my post(s) again. What I was asking, specifically was (sic) "you ever thought about a lower price point with only one tune, and the option for more later?"

I didn't try to tell Mr. Troyer anything. I asked a question. I wasn't being arrogant, or uniformed. I made a parallel to another company who offers the same product (but for the Ford Focus) and sells it with ONE tune and for cheaper. This Focus company offers, literally, the same level of service as does Troyer. I then asked, "you ever thought about a lower price point with only one tune, and the option for more later?" I thought this was a valid question.

I thought, and still think, that I was being polite when I said this and not trying to be a jerk. ergo "I am not trying to bust your chops." I said as much in my first AND second posts. Why is there harm in asking the above?

You know what is really crazy? I come on here and ask an honest question, and essentially get treated like a piece of ****. And you don't even know me. You probably think Im some punk kid looking for a break. What I am is an active duty miliitary officer and a surgeon, looking for better gas mileage on the ol' truck. Nothing more.

Again, I am sorry if I offended people, and especially Troyer Perf, regarding asking "you ever thought about a lower price point with only one tune, and the option for more later?" I thought it was harmless but apparently not.

 

 

Well to me you did seem rather arrogant no matter who you are or what profession you are in. Your very first statement was"Can I ask why the price is so high?" Not a good way to start a post. Then " $499 seems like a lot for the Xcal-2" If you would have done your homework you would have found that that isn't the price that registered members pay. Then " I also own a supercharged SVT Focus, and am considering a Xcal-2. However, the premier US focus tuner offers it for $349 " Then again you broke the forum rules by talking about price on your posts.
These type of uninformed questions , if they had to be asked should have been directed at Mike directly ny phone , e-mail ,etc. Just my 2 cents,
I'm done with this now. Good luck with your focus

 

did you ever notice that the people with the means and money are the first to bitch about the cost

 

that means you're not a marine. WEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKK

 

no but I do take care of em when they get shot. Navy baby

man the vitriol, the anger! I bow out!

Again, I am sorry, didn't think it was that big of a deal. Didn't mean to break any rules. See ya.

 

Kinda like having a 4.2 in a pickup eh?

Anyone that serves has my respect (even if they have a V6). Looks like you think differently.