HyperTec-- --2004 F150 3v 5.4

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Old Mar 11, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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HyperTec-- --2004 F150 3v 5.4

I dont recall ever seeing anyone with a new F150 try the HyperTec tuner..

Any reason why not?
What kind of gains are to be expected from the Hypertec tuner?

I am running the Superchips 1714 tuner right now, on Hi-Perf tune.. its great..

P.S. Big thanks to Troyer for the AirRaid intake I ordered last week. Sounds great... not much difference in performance on the butt-dyno, but it does sound good.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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I think with the great support by Troyer and all the positive feedback on the Superchips no one has decided to say 'screw that' and get the Hypertech. Seems like a Diablo vs Superchips 'round here.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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I did a little research on the hypertec...

It Performance Products magizine.. it says that hypertec gave 33 HP on Chevy Tahoe.. then on the buildup of a chevy tahoe.. they used a hypertec tuner and managed to gain a WHOOPING 8hp at the rear wheel... So, they dont make much power I guess
 
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Hi there hendrix,

Thanks for your post!

Just some FYI for you regarding seat of the pants impressions, etc............

That is precisely why we specifically point out in the documentation that we send out with our custom tunes that "seat-of-the-pants" is not the way to evaluate *any* performance part or modifications - because that is pure guesswork, and highly inaccurate.

This is perhaps the single most basic tenant of modifying heavier vehicles, especially trucks & SUV's, but actually applies to ALL vehicles - seat of the pants means virtually nothing, and it's even worse when making any "comparisons" on different days, or even the same day if it's hours apart, etc.

See, the issue here is the overall power-to-weight ratio - literally how many lbs. of weight does each horsepower have to haul around. The problem is that almost nobody is going to "feel" 15-20 HP gain in a 3-ton truck - that's too much weight to feel 15-20 HP difference, because the change in the change in the overall power-to-weight ratio is small.

This is precisely why we say to do proper testing, as seat of the pants is nothing more than guesswork - heck, some people can't even feel a 40 HP gain in these vehicles, but that doesn't change the fact that they just gained 40 HP. Or put another way, very few people can actually "feel" a reduction in 0-60 or 1/4 mile times of say, half a second in these vehicles (which is very significant improvement) - but them not "feeling" it in the seat of the pants doesn't change the fact that the vehicle now has more power and accelerates quicker.

About the only thing that virtually everyone can count on "feeling" in such a heavy vehicle is something like a supercharger - anyone who isn't brain-dead is going to feel a supercharger, of course.

Some people will feel our custom tuning and rave about the results, some people will install a cat-back system or an intake and rave about the results - while others bolt on those same parts and complain because they don't "feel" anything - but they all get the same basic results, it's just that their perceptions are far different. Hence, seat of the pants is pure guesswork, and means very little, which is why we now point that out in our custom tuning documentation.

The way to evaluate a performance part or modification is by doing properly controlled before & after 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times, etc., on the same day, both with and without the changes, allowing a 30 minute cool down time in between each run to stabilize powertrain temperatures and make the change being tested - do all 3 runs within about a 90 minute time period.

One other very informal (and less accurate) way is to take the vehicle to a place where you have measured & marked an exact distance - then from a standstill, run the vehicle at full-throttle along that distance both with and without the performance part or modification, allowing a 30 minute cool down time in between each run, and do a set of 3 runs - first without the modification, then next with the modification, and then last, without the modification once again, and see exactly what speed the vehicle attains each time. Even a 1 mph increase in speed attained is a clear indication of power gain in these heavy vehicles.

Now of course if you do that with tuning changes, you aren't going to get the full 100% difference, that takes a bit more time for the PCM to make it's adaptive strategy adjustments - but it will still show a clear difference.

Just giving you a little FYI, for whatever that may (or may not) be worth to you, & good luck!
 
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