Hey Mike, any word on when the 9100 will be available for the 04’s? We getting close maybe?
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i was told by Brian @ SCT that its about to be released. i want this although i dont really need 3 tunes. actually i do. can those 3 tunes be an 87 tune, a 93 high performance, and a towing?

 

Also... when they do arrive. Let's say I have a cold-air intake, decent exhuast & your underdrive pulleys. Do you customize my tunes for that setup?

I know we do no discuss pricing here, but what... about 15-25% more than the 1714 MSRP?

I can hardly wait for Christmas!

 

i dont think for those mods the tuner has to be adjusted. i think only headers or a change in the MAF need custom tuning.

 

With the 9100, you need to specify your PCM code when you order. If you already had a dealer re-flash, how do you know if the code is the same? How can you find out what the new code is if it were changed?

 

What has to be understood is that the R&D is ongoing - so like any R&D project, there's simply no way to know when all the various R&D and testing will actually be completed and the products ready for release to the public - until it's done.

There's a different PCM version in some of the 2005 F-150's, and more testing still to be done of 2005 models yet to be released, etc. It's an R&D project, and as such can be subject to change from one minute, hour or day to the next as new things are discovered, changes made to the vehicles themselves by the automaker, etc. So we just have to look at it for what it really is - an important and ongoing R&D project, and as such it'll be done whenever it's done - that's about all that can really be said accurately about this, & we talk with SCT almost daily.

I'd say that if all goes absolutely *perfectly* we may see it in the next 30 days or so - and then again, it may take a bit longer, or it may happen a little bit sooner. We're not in any hurry, as we'd much rather see it be right rather than be rushed.

Ideally, it's hoped to see the new custom CAN flashers released to coincide with the release of the new 2005 Mustang - which is scheduled to be released roughly at the end of September - but only time will tell if that can actually happen. The guys at SCT are working their butts off on this and so many other things too - they've done some minor miracles on many occasions over the past year, accomplishing so much in such a short time. But like any ongoing R&D project, it's just not possible to say with accuracy a specific date when it's going to be complete & ready for general public release.

I think we need to be prepared for another 30 days or so, and that is strictly just a *guess* - it might happen sooner, or it might take a little bit longer given that the 2005 P221 (F-150) has had another change in the PCM and the new hardware has to not only work with the 2004 CAN vehicles, but also the 2005's, etc.
We will be involved in some of the testing here shortly, so as soon as we feel that everything is ready to go, we'll be letting everyone know right here ASAP.

Now, with regard to what types of mods do and do not require custom tuning in the 2004 F-150 with the 3-valve 5.4 engine...................that's really too involved to get into thoroughly by typing, so I'm only going to go over this briefly for now, and then for any more information you'll need to call us at our number listed below.

Some things are vastly different in that regard compared to the previous generation F-150 (1997-2003 models). For example, many of the intake kits of the market for the 2004 3-valve 5.4 F-150 DO require custom tuning to compensate for them leaning out the motor - the 3-valve 5.4 no longer uses a traditional MAF meter, and virtually any change made to the air intake tract drastically alters the MAF transfer function, causing the engine to run dangerously lean. We've done a lot of R&D on this, & we warn people NOT to start making assumptions that just any intake kit can be bolted on the 3-valve 5.4 and everything will be OK like you can in the 1997-2003's. There are only 2 intakes currently on the market that you can just bolt on to the 3-valve 5.4 F-150 and not have problems with, and only 1 of those actually adds real power (The one that works properly and adds power is seen on our web site at www.TroyerPerformance.com)

A cat-back exhaust is not a concern in this regard, you can bolt up virtually any cat-back exhaust system to the 2004 F-150 and not have a problem. Some headers are OK and then some aren't. The cylinder heads for the 3-valve 5.4 are vastly different than the 2-valve 5.4's & 4.6's, having larger D-shaped exhaust ports so all previous gaskets, manifolds & headers won't fit - they have to be 3-valve 5.4 specific. The "shorty" style header we approve of for the 3-valve 5.4 are the JBA's.

Things like E-fans & underdrive pulleys are also OK - though we do like to bump up the idle speed for them a little bit, as the 2004 3-valve 5.4 F-150 idles even lower than before - some of them idle at as low as 525 rpm in gear, which is too low even in bone-stock trim, in our opinion.

That's the quick scoop on the simple bolt-ons like intakes, cat-back exhausts & e-fans & underdrive pulleys. Anyone that wants to go over this in more detail or discuss any of this further will need to call us at our number listed below to go over their specific proposed mods.

I hope that info helps a bit,

 

What kind of HP gains is expected out of the new “custom CAN flasher” for the F150 3valve 04’s?

 

Hi jp,

So far, on average the power & performance gains from our custom tuning for the 2004 3-valve 5.4 F-150 run anywhere from about 35% to as much as 50% larger than the gains from the 1714 Micro Tuner - in other words, it's the same basic difference that we average on the 1997-2003 models (with our custom tuning versus the 1715 Micro Tuner), basically. This will vary depending on which PCM revision each individual vehicle has, and a lot of the 2004's have had factory updates, given that it's a first-year redesign vehicle.

Keep in mind that there are not "large" numbers of 2004 3-valve 5.4 F-150's running around with our custom tuning - only those who sent their PCM's in to be flashed, or those whose vehicles were part of the tuning R&D have our custom tuning for the 3-valve 5.4 F-150. We won't start to see larger numbers of them until the new custom CAN flasher is released, of course.

On our BME8-code 2004 3-valve 5.4 in bone-stock trim, we started off at 219 HP & 287 lbs./ft. of torque at the rear wheels on 87 octane, and after tuning for 93 octane we ended up at 247 HP & 350 lbs./ft. at the rear wheels (and after 70 miles of driving, it picked up a few more HP once adaptive went to work). Those were the gains in *peak* power at the rear wheels @ 5100 rpm - the power gains some of the lower rpm areas were even larger. (This was at about 65 degrees (F).)

 

How am I going to be able to identify what code I have after the dealer has re-programmed the PCM? My truck had an ACB7-code but my Ford dealer re-programmed after fixing a #4 coil wire. Would it still be the same? There was no new code sticker placed under the hood or any details on the service ticket to indicate one way or the other.

 

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Wow those are some great numbers!!! Makes me wonder if I should have waited and held off on the 1714. Man I wish money grew on trees!

~Colby

 

The 1714 gives, according to Troyer Performance website, "20 HP & 32 lbs./ft. more PEAK horsepower and torque, and there are areas in the lower rpm ranges where the gains are as much as 24 HP & 40 lbs./ft. of torque at the rear wheels!"

Add 35 to 50 percent to those numbers, as per Mike's post above, and you end up with 27 to 30 HP and 43 to 48 lbs./ft. more PEAK horsepower and torque, and as much as 32 to 36 HP & 54 to 60 lbs./ft. of torque in areas in the lower rpm ranges.

So the gains from the 1714 to the 9100 are anywhere from 7 to 12 HP and 11 to 20 lbs./ft. of torque. So if you're running a basically stock vehicle, is the exra cost of the 9100 worth it? Not to me. I doubt if anyone can 'feel' an extra 10 HP added to 320 HP.

I have a 1714 and love it. The biggest difference from the stock tuning to the superchips tuning is the changes in the transmission. There are people on these boards who have run the 87 octane program and thought it was great. Then they switched to the performance program and didn't notice much. That's because both programs have the improvements to the shifting so the only difference between the two is the increase in horsepower and torque. If you can't feel and extra 20 to 24 HP, you certainly won't be able to feel 7 to 12 HP.

I'm not knocking Superchips. They're great at what they do. I've had two different 'chips' and now have a 1714 Microtuner. It makes this 2004 F150 a lot more enjoyable to drive. Plus I love electronic gadgets and you can 'play' with shift points and pressures and change tire sizes and change the speed limiter with the 1714. I believe if you want to change any of these parameters on the 9100, it has to be done in a custom program.
If you're dealing with a basically stock vehicle, I don't think you 'should have waited'.

 

Well I have many more plans for my truck. Doing intake, exhaust, JBA headers, e-fans, pulleys, plasma booster and whatever else they come out with for the truck. So I am just not sure if the 1714 will be the best down the line or not. But by the time I do all these mods, it will be awhile, so I am glad I got the 1714.

~Colby

 

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