Quick Question for Mike
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Quick Question for Mike
Hello Mike,
With the flip chip, can 1 side be programmed with the stock Ford program same as the computer. Probably seems like a stupid question but it sounds like most pull their chip when having it serviced, which sounded like a pain. If yes, would they be able to still detect the chip. I was at the dealership last week with a friend and the service manager was like, "oh no...better not install one, it'll void your warranty". I know it doesn't void your warranty and we're protected by some act of congress but, I personally would rather avoid the battle.
Coop
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With the flip chip, can 1 side be programmed with the stock Ford program same as the computer. Probably seems like a stupid question but it sounds like most pull their chip when having it serviced, which sounded like a pain. If yes, would they be able to still detect the chip. I was at the dealership last week with a friend and the service manager was like, "oh no...better not install one, it'll void your warranty". I know it doesn't void your warranty and we're protected by some act of congress but, I personally would rather avoid the battle.
Coop
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2001 SCrew Lariat Gen II, 5.4L, 4x4, Solid Arizona Beige, Leather 60/40, Slider, LSD, Tow Pkg., Cab Steps, Skids
Mods: Lund, Clear bra
Future Mods: Lid (Snug on order), Superchip
Oil: Amsoil
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Hi Coop,
You're exactly right, and what that fellow told you is absolutely *illegal*, you are in fact protected by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Any dealership using those kinds of tactics should never be rewarded with your business, in my humble opinion, though sometimes that isn't possible in rural areas; if they're willing to violate the law or are ignorant of the law, they don't have your best interests in mind. By law, you have the absolute right to modify your vehicle and still have full warranty coverage, as long as what you do does not actually cause *damage* to the vehicle requiring repair. As long as you don't damage the vehicle, your warranty remains fully intact by law. This same Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act also protects the automaker against a situation where someone does damage their vehicle (say, using nitrous oxide for example), as in that case it's not fair to demand that the automaker pay for that repair, so the MMWA works *both* ways, which is why we like to call is a nice set of "fair-play rules".
Now, to actually answer your question, sure, we can do a Flip Chip setup where one side of it would be the stock program, however, that won't accomplish what you want, as you're still going to get that P0605 error code, the ECU's internal eeprom chip is still going to be turned off from engaging the external override data path with the Superchip being present. This is a simple code and nothing is wrong at all, that just tells the technician that the ECU's internal eeprom chip is not is not in operation, and it's *supposed* to do that. This code immediately disappears as soon as you remove the chip, and it's perfectly normal. In fact, most aftermarket code scaners won't even pick up that P0605 code, as they know of this. However, many times technicans aren't aware of that, which is why we advise simply pulling the Superchip prior to service, so you don't go thru any of that, as that will put you back to running on the factory program. Once the Superchip is installed, it only takes 30-60 seconds to remove it.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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You're exactly right, and what that fellow told you is absolutely *illegal*, you are in fact protected by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Any dealership using those kinds of tactics should never be rewarded with your business, in my humble opinion, though sometimes that isn't possible in rural areas; if they're willing to violate the law or are ignorant of the law, they don't have your best interests in mind. By law, you have the absolute right to modify your vehicle and still have full warranty coverage, as long as what you do does not actually cause *damage* to the vehicle requiring repair. As long as you don't damage the vehicle, your warranty remains fully intact by law. This same Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act also protects the automaker against a situation where someone does damage their vehicle (say, using nitrous oxide for example), as in that case it's not fair to demand that the automaker pay for that repair, so the MMWA works *both* ways, which is why we like to call is a nice set of "fair-play rules".
Now, to actually answer your question, sure, we can do a Flip Chip setup where one side of it would be the stock program, however, that won't accomplish what you want, as you're still going to get that P0605 error code, the ECU's internal eeprom chip is still going to be turned off from engaging the external override data path with the Superchip being present. This is a simple code and nothing is wrong at all, that just tells the technician that the ECU's internal eeprom chip is not is not in operation, and it's *supposed* to do that. This code immediately disappears as soon as you remove the chip, and it's perfectly normal. In fact, most aftermarket code scaners won't even pick up that P0605 code, as they know of this. However, many times technicans aren't aware of that, which is why we advise simply pulling the Superchip prior to service, so you don't go thru any of that, as that will put you back to running on the factory program. Once the Superchip is installed, it only takes 30-60 seconds to remove it.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer