I see that you offer a flip chip for 93 octane and 100. Do you make a flip chip for 87 octane and 93 octane?

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2000 Honda RC51
1999 Mustang GT Convertible

 

right now Diablo has only the single program chip this is for reg gas. what application are you interested in? Diablo will have a 2 way chip here very shortly. we hope within 4 weeks.also Diablo will have a 4 way chip in the future.if i can help let me know and thanks...... JL

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A 2001 SuperCrew 5.4L now, a 99 Mustang GT later. I don't want to pay for 93 octane in the truck all the time, so I was wondering about an 87/93 chip. So, you make a single program chip for 87 octane? What performance increases do you get with that chip?

Oh yeah, how much does it cost? Just Kidding!!!

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2001 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat 4x4
2000 Suburban LT 4x4
2000 Honda RC51
1999 Mustang GT Convertible

 

SCM: yes Diablo has a 87 octane program and yes there is a noticable gain! not only at wide open throttle but all thru the rpm band. also on your 99 stang i believe diablo is now able to correct the speedometers on all the late model stangs with different gears..........JL

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best mph 112
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Level 10 shift kit
Test Converter!
DiabloSport Dist.!
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I drove a 97 4.6 auto just like mine the other day with the diablo chip in it, and I could tell just a little difference in the power but the shift on the diablo was much better than my superchip thinking about sending my chip back to get a little harder shift I really liked it.I think the superchip makes a little more power but he only had to use 87 octane.

 

You have it right SuperCrewMark the other guys truck shifted like a good shift kit would shift it did'nt matter how much gas you gave it, I would like to actually run him side by side sometime just to see which one has the most power. My truck has 29000 miles on it and his has 60000 mile on it, other wise they are just alike other that the paint.

 

Impressive! Anyone else have experience with Diablo, specifically the 87 octane chip? If it performs fairly close to a Superchips running 93 octane, it will definitely be worth trying. Plus, unlike Superchips, I understand you can send it back for any reason???

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2001 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat 4x4
2000 Suburban LT 4x4
2000 Honda RC51
1999 Mustang GT Convertible

 

Hi JL

Also interested in knowing what gains Diablo claims on its single program 87oct. chip?
HP/torque I have 99SC 4.6L AT 3.73re

Enlighten me. Im all ears.

OT

 

K. Smith,

Do I understand correctly that you own a 4.6 w/Superchips , drove a different 4.6 w/Diablo, think the Diablo shift better, Superchips makes a little more power, but the Diablo 4.6 only has to run 87 octane?

I'm not trying to start anything here, just find it interesting that Diablo is claming and based on your experience, getting hp out of 87 octane.

While at the same time Superchips says in a different thread, "...this is never going to happen. You are not going to get any significant power gains by using 87 octane with any chip, it simply cannot be done. If it could be, we'd have done it *long* ago, and so would the automakers themselves, for that matter."

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2000 Suburban LT 4x4
2000 Honda RC51
1999 Mustang GT Convertible

 

I would be real interested in seeing a side-by-side dyno comparison between these chips. I'm not trying to start a chip war as I like my Superchip, but with premium starting to skyrocket it would be nice to know that I could go back to 87, still get a little more power, and keep the firmer shifting.

Anyone have the means to do that?

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The peak gains may not be large, but gains in certain RPM ranges would be significant IMO. Similar to changing the timing curve on "old" non computer controlled cars, the factory curves as usually very mild.

These companies know a lot of things that would make more power, and still don't do most of those things. I find it hard to believe that they are as agressive as the aftermarket when it comes to timing curves.

 

Hi Signmaster,

You raise an interesting point that traditionally affected distributor-controlled vehicles; that has vastly improved in computer-controlled vehicles of today.

These vehicles are far more sophisticated in their control of timing at any rpm & throttle point. These computerized systems give us the kind of extremely precise control over every aspect of timing application that the older distributor-controlled vehicles have never had.

So while I would say that yes, on some vehicles there is still more room for improvement in some areas on part-throttle than on full-throttle (thanks primarily to the structure of the emissions laws, there have never been any standards that have to be met during full-throttle operation), it's not like it used to be, in that they aren't so badly deficient in their part-throttle timing optimization like virtually all distributor-controlled vehicles were from the factory.

Can any improvements be made on 87 octane? Yes, Superchips has been doing that for many years, especially in their Mexico-spec vehicle applications, where premium gas just isn't available; far longer than anyone else in the business in fact. But they're still small gains, other peak or part-throttle, compared to what can be made on premium gas.

Very interesting point Signmaster, as usual!

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Mike,
Is this something you've recently learned? For a long time now you have been saying that there isn't any power to be gained with a chip designed for 87 octane. I'm sure there are many people through the years who have purchased a chip would like to have known this.

It seems to me that competition is already benefiting us. We're learning more and more each day as to what computer chips can do for our vehicles.

 

fastsvtss,

I would assume that the statement of power gains Mike is using are in regards to peak power, due to the fact that's what most people refer to. As he stated above, the improvements are less with regular gas.

My point was that you may only gain a few HP at peak, but gain larger amounts at certain areas in the torque curve.


Mike,

Does that mean that if I call and fake an accent that I can get a "Mexican spec" Superchip that will run on regular gas?

My comments on the timing at certain points came from an experience with a 396 Chevelle years ago. I was lucky enough to have one of the "old timers" introduce me to his distributor guru. An eye opening experience to say the least. People these days get so worried about peak power that they don't worry about what happens to the rest of the curve. One of the "old timers" mottos....

Short and thin doesn't win
Long and flat is where it's at!

 

JohnnyLightning,
Please give us all the details on the Diablo 87 octane chip. I think you might sell a few with the way gas prices are heading.



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2001 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat 4x4
2000 Suburban LT 4x4
2000 Honda RC51
1999 Mustang GT Convertible