Sorry here's another. (flip chip)
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Sorry here's another. (flip chip)
Okay instead of paying the extra money for a flip chip why don't you just unplug the superchip and let the vehicles' computer resume it's normal program? Is it hard to get to? I don't know, just trying to decide....Also can you compare the Diablo chip to yours.
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beardodge, I had the same thoughts when I went chip shopping(see my post), the way I figure, you can do exactly what you are saying, however with the flip chip, all you have to do is switch it over. What you'll need to decide is it worth it to keep the good shifts or can you live with the crappy shifts when gas prices rise(if they do)and you yank out the chip. Whats it worth to you? You can always go with one of the hyperchips or jet, while they offer no increase in performance except at wide open throttle, they do offer better shifting throughout the band, so if you go that route you can always use lower octane as long as you never go WOT. Not that I recommend using low octane.(my disclaimer)
I didn't want to have to use the higher octane fuel, however if I notice even a 1 mpg increase it would only amonut to a $2.50 increase at fill up, and a 2 mpg increase it would be a wash, so it may be worth it to go with the high octane program.
I went with a Diablo chip, it has similar programming as Superchips, and I found a price that I almost didn't belive.Another consideration, the flip chip doesn't come with the same 30 day return policy as it is considered custom programming. check out my post for more details.
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2001 F-150 XLT S-CAB 4.6 "the full ride"
96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
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I didn't want to have to use the higher octane fuel, however if I notice even a 1 mpg increase it would only amonut to a $2.50 increase at fill up, and a 2 mpg increase it would be a wash, so it may be worth it to go with the high octane program.
I went with a Diablo chip, it has similar programming as Superchips, and I found a price that I almost didn't belive.Another consideration, the flip chip doesn't come with the same 30 day return policy as it is considered custom programming. check out my post for more details.
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2001 F-150 XLT S-CAB 4.6 "the full ride"
96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
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Hi Beardoge,
Yes, you're quite right, you can just pull out the Superchip anytime you don't want to use it, and go back to the factory program running on regular gas. In fact, that is how most people do that, instead of going with the Flip Chip. Some people want all the other benefits even when running on regular gas however, such as the improved autoamtic transmission shifting, etc., so that is why some of them will go with the Flip Chip. This is strictly up to you, and what you feel matters most to you.
Just as a suggestion, you might want to just give us a call, and we'll be happy to go over all of this with you in detail.
There is quite a bit of difference between Diablo and Superchips; Diablo is a new company that has done little of their own R&D; consequently, they do not have as sophisticated programming capabilities in either engine or automatic transmission functions compared to Superchips, either in these Fords or in other vehicles. They don't have the 50-state CARB certifications for all of their applications like we do. They can't do things like speedo corrections in Fords, for example.
Superchips is the company that invented this entire industry of aftermarket performance powertrain programming back in 1983, and to date is the only firm of their kind to be hired directly by the automakers themselves. The bottom line is that they are the best in the business, having more capabilities than any other chipmaker, and that is why the automakers themselves have hired Superchips for many projects over the years. Superchips came along just as computer controls were being introduced in most vehicles, and had quickly established an excellent reputation in racing circles over in Europe, where they started and where their World Headquarters is located (Bletchley, England) and so they were sought out for their expertise by many of the automakers. As a result of that experience of working directly with many automakers,, Superchips has knowledge & resources that other similar companies in this industry don't have.
Everyone has to make their decision based on what they feel is important to them. For us, we feel the most important thing is the actual quality of the programs themselves, meaning the amount of power gained, and the actual results, from driveability to emissions to you name it. The quality of the engineering that goes into these powertrain programs is critical; we want our vehicles tuned only by the best, and that is why we use & market Superchips. Nobody does it better.
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Performance Products, Inc.
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Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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Yes, you're quite right, you can just pull out the Superchip anytime you don't want to use it, and go back to the factory program running on regular gas. In fact, that is how most people do that, instead of going with the Flip Chip. Some people want all the other benefits even when running on regular gas however, such as the improved autoamtic transmission shifting, etc., so that is why some of them will go with the Flip Chip. This is strictly up to you, and what you feel matters most to you.
Just as a suggestion, you might want to just give us a call, and we'll be happy to go over all of this with you in detail.
There is quite a bit of difference between Diablo and Superchips; Diablo is a new company that has done little of their own R&D; consequently, they do not have as sophisticated programming capabilities in either engine or automatic transmission functions compared to Superchips, either in these Fords or in other vehicles. They don't have the 50-state CARB certifications for all of their applications like we do. They can't do things like speedo corrections in Fords, for example.
Superchips is the company that invented this entire industry of aftermarket performance powertrain programming back in 1983, and to date is the only firm of their kind to be hired directly by the automakers themselves. The bottom line is that they are the best in the business, having more capabilities than any other chipmaker, and that is why the automakers themselves have hired Superchips for many projects over the years. Superchips came along just as computer controls were being introduced in most vehicles, and had quickly established an excellent reputation in racing circles over in Europe, where they started and where their World Headquarters is located (Bletchley, England) and so they were sought out for their expertise by many of the automakers. As a result of that experience of working directly with many automakers,, Superchips has knowledge & resources that other similar companies in this industry don't have.
Everyone has to make their decision based on what they feel is important to them. For us, we feel the most important thing is the actual quality of the programs themselves, meaning the amount of power gained, and the actual results, from driveability to emissions to you name it. The quality of the engineering that goes into these powertrain programs is critical; we want our vehicles tuned only by the best, and that is why we use & market Superchips. Nobody does it better.
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Mike Troyer
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(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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There is quite a bit of difference between Diablo and Superchips;
What differences would that be? The only one I could find was price.
Diablo is a new company that has done little of their own R&D; consequently, they do not have as sophisticated programming capabilities in either engine or automatic transmission functions compared to Superchips, either in these Fords or in other vehicles.
Mike is this an opinion?, or do you have difinitive proof to back up this statement, please elaborate.Thats like saying Saturn, being a newer car company cannot produce as good a car. Wasn't Patrick Stajdel, a former Superchips employee that worked on Ford tuning projects?
Everyone has to make their decision based on what they feel is important to them. For us, we feel the most important thing is the actual quality of the programs themselves, meaning the amount of power gained, and the actual results, from driveability to emissions to you name it. The quality of the engineering that goes into these powertrain programs is critical; we want our vehicles tuned only by the best, and that is why we use & market Superchips. Nobody does it better.
Maybe, I'll order a Superchip and run them both(Diablo) on the dynojet at Action Machine in Bridgeport CT, I've got an hour of dyno time to use up.Diablo will take theirs back, 30 days no question, Mike will you? I'll be objective, I did alot of reserch before buying my chip, saying something is better with out proof,Coke tastes better than Pepsi...to who? is just meaningless words. To say a Superchip will out perform Diablo, you must have either tested one, or seen testing results so please share that info with us.Superchips could be better,... I don't know, like you said, you have to be happy with your purchase, in all my reading and talks to you and others , I belive they are compairable. maybe I'm wrong, so I will seriously think about putting it to the dyno test.I'm not looking for a flame war, I have a lot of respect for you, and superchips.please respond
John C. Aldieri
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2001 F-150 XLT S-CAB 4.6 "the full ride"
96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
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There is quite a bit of difference between Diablo and Superchips;
What differences would that be? The only one I could find was price.
Diablo is a new company that has done little of their own R&D; consequently, they do not have as sophisticated programming capabilities in either engine or automatic transmission functions compared to Superchips, either in these Fords or in other vehicles.
Mike is this an opinion?, or do you have difinitive proof to back up this statement, please elaborate.Thats like saying Saturn, being a newer car company cannot produce as good a car. Wasn't Patrick Stajdel, a former Superchips employee that worked on Ford tuning projects?
Everyone has to make their decision based on what they feel is important to them. For us, we feel the most important thing is the actual quality of the programs themselves, meaning the amount of power gained, and the actual results, from driveability to emissions to you name it. The quality of the engineering that goes into these powertrain programs is critical; we want our vehicles tuned only by the best, and that is why we use & market Superchips. Nobody does it better.
Maybe, I'll order a Superchip and run them both(Diablo) on the dynojet at Action Machine in Bridgeport CT, I've got an hour of dyno time to use up.Diablo will take theirs back, 30 days no question, Mike will you? I'll be objective, I did alot of reserch before buying my chip, saying something is better with out proof,Coke tastes better than Pepsi...to who? is just meaningless words. To say a Superchip will out perform Diablo, you must have either tested one, or seen testing results so please share that info with us.Superchips could be better,... I don't know, like you said, you have to be happy with your purchase, in all my reading and talks to you and others , I belive they are compairable. maybe I'm wrong, so I will seriously think about putting it to the dyno test.I'm not looking for a flame war, I have a lot of respect for you, and superchips.please respond
John C. Aldieri
john.aldieri@snet.net
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96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
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Hi jstang,
It's a bad mistake to start dropping names and trying to play the "who said what" game.
Yes, I know *exactly* who that individual is, and no, that doesn't impress me in the least.
I have already gone over that in my response to Beardoge, so I would suggest that you re-read that post. There is no way I can tell you *everything* I know about them, the company, and that individual, without it being seen as just a silly negative "attack" against them, as nobody that isn't part of the respective companies can possibly know what I know. I have no interest in playing that kind of game; when you have the best product of it's kind, the product stands up all on it's own, as the Superchip always has.
Interesting isn't it, that they always want to compare themselves to Superchips?
All you can really do is run back and forth between that individual you named and me here on these message boards, arguing over who said what & things about which you will never have any first-hand knowledge, as you're not an employee of any of the respective companies, and consequently can only rely on what you're told for your information.
With regards to your hour of dyno time on a Dynojet, save it. The Dynojet is an "inertia" dyno, designed first and foremost to be affordable for just about any shop owner, and is not accurate enough for more than an approximation of power levels, and only on vehicles weighing close to the combined weight of the Dynojet's rollers, which is 3600 lbs. And no, I'm not interested in what they say at that shop about their Dynojet either, before that even starts. Some Dynojet owners aren't aware of the limitations of inertia dynos, as for most of them, the Dynojet is the first and only dyno they've ever had, due to how expensive chassis dynos are, and they think they've got the best thing since sliced bread. Many people think that all dynos are the same, and that they're always right, etc., and few things could be farther from reality. We've had numerous calls from engineers at the automakers themselves, thanking us for what we tell people about "inertia" dynos; the automakers don't use them, and for very good reason, they just are not accurate enough to consistently quantify incremental differences in power levels, that kind of work takes a good eddy-current chassis dyno.
I will leave you with one last thought......they do everything they possibly can to compare themselves to Superchips, and it's for one patently obvious reason; because Superchips is the best in the business. It's a marketing ploy.
The bottom line is that the only thing that really matters is whether or not you're happy with what you got. If you are, then fine, we're happy for you.
I wish you well,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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It's a bad mistake to start dropping names and trying to play the "who said what" game.
Yes, I know *exactly* who that individual is, and no, that doesn't impress me in the least.
I have already gone over that in my response to Beardoge, so I would suggest that you re-read that post. There is no way I can tell you *everything* I know about them, the company, and that individual, without it being seen as just a silly negative "attack" against them, as nobody that isn't part of the respective companies can possibly know what I know. I have no interest in playing that kind of game; when you have the best product of it's kind, the product stands up all on it's own, as the Superchip always has.
Interesting isn't it, that they always want to compare themselves to Superchips?
All you can really do is run back and forth between that individual you named and me here on these message boards, arguing over who said what & things about which you will never have any first-hand knowledge, as you're not an employee of any of the respective companies, and consequently can only rely on what you're told for your information.
With regards to your hour of dyno time on a Dynojet, save it. The Dynojet is an "inertia" dyno, designed first and foremost to be affordable for just about any shop owner, and is not accurate enough for more than an approximation of power levels, and only on vehicles weighing close to the combined weight of the Dynojet's rollers, which is 3600 lbs. And no, I'm not interested in what they say at that shop about their Dynojet either, before that even starts. Some Dynojet owners aren't aware of the limitations of inertia dynos, as for most of them, the Dynojet is the first and only dyno they've ever had, due to how expensive chassis dynos are, and they think they've got the best thing since sliced bread. Many people think that all dynos are the same, and that they're always right, etc., and few things could be farther from reality. We've had numerous calls from engineers at the automakers themselves, thanking us for what we tell people about "inertia" dynos; the automakers don't use them, and for very good reason, they just are not accurate enough to consistently quantify incremental differences in power levels, that kind of work takes a good eddy-current chassis dyno.
I will leave you with one last thought......they do everything they possibly can to compare themselves to Superchips, and it's for one patently obvious reason; because Superchips is the best in the business. It's a marketing ploy.
The bottom line is that the only thing that really matters is whether or not you're happy with what you got. If you are, then fine, we're happy for you.
I wish you well,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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Mike, thanks for your response.I don't know Pat, and no one at that company has even said word one about being as good as Superchips.This is me talking not Diablo. I have no intrest in going back and forth with you or anyone. I do think it unreasonable for you to say that they can never compare or your product is better, without explaining to me why. I called you several times, while I was looking for a chip, I asked you up front what does a Superchip do that a Diablo doesn't? you still have not answered.
Should I just have faith in your word?,Diablo distrubtors I spoke with told me,I'd probally find little difference between the two, get them both and return ours if you don't like it.If they told me they had new, cutting edge technoligy, I wouldn't just belive them, prove it to me,I'd ask,.... whats new and how did it used to be done? It's all just words, without any proof it don't mean squat!I don't know alot about dynos, but a few people I know do, Shawn O'leary at dyno-jet, I can only ask questions about things I don't know, and try to compare them to facts, now if Shawn told me something oppisite of what you said, who should I belive? you gotta back statements with facts. tangiable hard evidense.thats what I look for.Just an example, Johnson motorsports, this guy will burn new e-proms until you are satified, I tuned in my supercharged mustang, with timing , fuel pressures, a/f ratio gauge,and a G-tech at various rpms, its a long battle without a dyno, and most certinaly not the best way to do it. The point is JMS sent me 5 programs to get me started, as I got closer, I had another 5 done , then I got it perfect, gave him the spec's and he sent me what I asked for,15 total programs to my specs all for the same price.Would superchips do this? of course not, nor would I expect them to, its not that type of business, so in that case JMS is better for chips.Had you or anyone convinced me you had a better product I would have gotten one, I talked to several users, distrubtors, and even you a few times.If you would be willing to discuss this via phone please let me know,honestly please let me know. I think you are correct about your comments being veiwed as attacks on someone and they are not here to dispute anything said, and it really doesn't belong on this board anyway.And if Diablo and superchips don't offer similar products what are the differences? I'll say it again, I have a lot of respect for you, and I appreciate your responding, however I am greatly disappointted I didn't get a single smilie face in you post! Would you sell me a chip, and If I don't like it take it back?I will try it, and be honest about my feeling of it.Again thaks for you reply. john.aldieri@snet.net or tffperformance@snet.net
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2001 F-150 XLT S-CAB 4.6 "the full ride"
96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
Should I just have faith in your word?,Diablo distrubtors I spoke with told me,I'd probally find little difference between the two, get them both and return ours if you don't like it.If they told me they had new, cutting edge technoligy, I wouldn't just belive them, prove it to me,I'd ask,.... whats new and how did it used to be done? It's all just words, without any proof it don't mean squat!I don't know alot about dynos, but a few people I know do, Shawn O'leary at dyno-jet, I can only ask questions about things I don't know, and try to compare them to facts, now if Shawn told me something oppisite of what you said, who should I belive? you gotta back statements with facts. tangiable hard evidense.thats what I look for.Just an example, Johnson motorsports, this guy will burn new e-proms until you are satified, I tuned in my supercharged mustang, with timing , fuel pressures, a/f ratio gauge,and a G-tech at various rpms, its a long battle without a dyno, and most certinaly not the best way to do it. The point is JMS sent me 5 programs to get me started, as I got closer, I had another 5 done , then I got it perfect, gave him the spec's and he sent me what I asked for,15 total programs to my specs all for the same price.Would superchips do this? of course not, nor would I expect them to, its not that type of business, so in that case JMS is better for chips.Had you or anyone convinced me you had a better product I would have gotten one, I talked to several users, distrubtors, and even you a few times.If you would be willing to discuss this via phone please let me know,honestly please let me know. I think you are correct about your comments being veiwed as attacks on someone and they are not here to dispute anything said, and it really doesn't belong on this board anyway.And if Diablo and superchips don't offer similar products what are the differences? I'll say it again, I have a lot of respect for you, and I appreciate your responding, however I am greatly disappointted I didn't get a single smilie face in you post! Would you sell me a chip, and If I don't like it take it back?I will try it, and be honest about my feeling of it.Again thaks for you reply. john.aldieri@snet.net or tffperformance@snet.net
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Hi jstang,
Apparently you aren't listening, you have my response.
By the way, the only place you could have heard that claim would have been from that individual's own lips (BS), or from another employee of that firm he would have made that claim to, as *nobody* else would have ever said that to you, so don't tell me this is all coming *only* from you.
See what I mean? This quickly becomes nothing more than "he said, she said" BS, as this has already turned into.
If you want to give us a call, we'll talk to you just like we talk to anyone else.
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Apparently you aren't listening, you have my response.
By the way, the only place you could have heard that claim would have been from that individual's own lips (BS), or from another employee of that firm he would have made that claim to, as *nobody* else would have ever said that to you, so don't tell me this is all coming *only* from you.
See what I mean? This quickly becomes nothing more than "he said, she said" BS, as this has already turned into.
If you want to give us a call, we'll talk to you just like we talk to anyone else.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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Well Mike I appreceiate your patience with my questions I will probably be calling you within a couple of weeks to get my superchip.
I figure if you have the patience with some of the attacks you get in this forum you must be pretty reputable and be able to help me out if I have any problems. So anyhow you should be hearing from me soon.
Thank you for your time...
Beardoge
I figure if you have the patience with some of the attacks you get in this forum you must be pretty reputable and be able to help me out if I have any problems. So anyhow you should be hearing from me soon.
Thank you for your time...
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Mike, please don't be angry, I'm not attacking you. I am speaking on my own behalf, God if I'm lying, strike me down right now. I do take offense to you tring to discredit me as someones puppet. I read in your last post, you refer to a "claim" I made, (I'm not trying to funny) which one are you talking about?I spoke to several people that used both products and that sell those products, some people told me the same things. is everyone been misinformed? I'll be the first to be pissed!!!
Didn't you have an offer to come to your facility on the board? I thought there was one.why did you remove it, I'd love to come down, if the offer still applies sometime in June would be great, I'll even take you out for Steaks and beers to show you I have no hard feeling, and I apoligize now if I've offened you.
As I said before, I speak for myself, and no one else,hope to die if I'm lying, so this has not become a he said, she said thread.
I don't want this to continue, I feel you are getting pissed off, just answer me one question please, Will you sell me a chip to try? no dyno, just seat of the pants to see how I like it ,and take it back under the 30 day policy if I don't? If I perfer it over Diablo, I will most definatliy post it, and keep it! I speak for myself only, I am willing to give the Superchips a try.Will you let me? a one word answer will be plenty if thats all you wish. Mike please no hard feelings. John C Aldieri
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2001 F-150 XLT S-CAB 4.6 "the full ride"
96 Taurus GL
93 Kenne-Bell Supercharged Mustang
"Injection is nice, but I perfer being blown!"
Didn't you have an offer to come to your facility on the board? I thought there was one.why did you remove it, I'd love to come down, if the offer still applies sometime in June would be great, I'll even take you out for Steaks and beers to show you I have no hard feeling, and I apoligize now if I've offened you.
As I said before, I speak for myself, and no one else,hope to die if I'm lying, so this has not become a he said, she said thread.
I don't want this to continue, I feel you are getting pissed off, just answer me one question please, Will you sell me a chip to try? no dyno, just seat of the pants to see how I like it ,and take it back under the 30 day policy if I don't? If I perfer it over Diablo, I will most definatliy post it, and keep it! I speak for myself only, I am willing to give the Superchips a try.Will you let me? a one word answer will be plenty if thats all you wish. Mike please no hard feelings. John C Aldieri
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Mike I will call you to order a chip.Thanks
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Hi jstang,
OK, let's back up a little bit here and see what will allow us to communicate a bit better, so we can perhaps ease our frustration level. The best way to do that at this point is to just talk over the phone, as sometimes the written word just can't properly convey what we want to express. It may not change a thing, but it's a far better way to communicate complex thoughts & issues.
So if you would, just give us a call at your convenience, and let's see if we can't establish some common ground for both of us.
Talk to you soon,
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OK, let's back up a little bit here and see what will allow us to communicate a bit better, so we can perhaps ease our frustration level.
The best way to do that at this point is to just talk over the phone, as sometimes the written word just can't properly convey what we want to express. It may not change a thing, but it's a far better way to communicate complex thoughts & issues.So if you would, just give us a call at your convenience, and let's see if we can't establish some common ground for both of us.
Talk to you soon,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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From: southington ct usa
Mike, thanks.I got called into work today, I'll try my best to call you.was supposed to be off, but you know how it is. I'll be on days now for 4 straight.are you there saturdays?
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From: Friendswood Texas
jstang.. what in the world are you looking for? the speedo correction, which mike mentions right of the bat, is worth what ever the price differnce of the 2. (how much will a speeding ticket cost you)
also (no offencse to mike) but if I am comparing 2 products dont you think the saleman of each product is going to favor that product? if the diablo chip is new and if it is as good as the superchip, give it time and people will start posting how great it is.
as nice of a guy as mike is and as many people as are happy with the superchip, if something comes along that is just as good or better, with a cheaper price, i think you know what people will be buying. 9 times out of 10 you get what you pay for!
also (no offencse to mike) but if I am comparing 2 products dont you think the saleman of each product is going to favor that product? if the diablo chip is new and if it is as good as the superchip, give it time and people will start posting how great it is.
as nice of a guy as mike is and as many people as are happy with the superchip, if something comes along that is just as good or better, with a cheaper price, i think you know what people will be buying. 9 times out of 10 you get what you pay for!
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Hi jstang,
While we're not officially open on the weekend, we do have 24 hr. voicemail and will return calls placed over the weekend, as a lot of people do their installations over the weekend and sometimes want to ask questions, etc. so we try to make sure all those calls get returned even over the weekend. So you can call us anytime, and if it's after hours, just leave us your name & number, and we'll of course return the call as soon as we can. That way, you don't have to worry about trying to call when we're open if you have to work, etc.
You know, it's funny, you & I have discussed a lot of things here on the boards and have gotten along just fine for all this time previously, and we seem to have a lot of common interests, (especially in Winston Cup) etc. I think (& hope) we're ultimately going to find that we're closer than what it may appear in our thoughts here, so I look forward to speaking with you again.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer
While we're not officially open on the weekend, we do have 24 hr. voicemail and will return calls placed over the weekend, as a lot of people do their installations over the weekend and sometimes want to ask questions, etc. so we try to make sure all those calls get returned even over the weekend. So you can call us anytime, and if it's after hours, just leave us your name & number, and we'll of course return the call as soon as we can. That way, you don't have to worry about trying to call when we're open if you have to work, etc.
You know, it's funny, you & I have discussed a lot of things here on the boards and have gotten along just fine for all this time previously, and we seem to have a lot of common interests, (especially in Winston Cup) etc. I think (& hope) we're ultimately going to find that we're closer than what it may appear in our thoughts here, so I look forward to speaking with you again.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer