I am now placing the challenge before Mike T. to provide absolute real world data that shows undeniably an increase in MPG with a Superchip. Afterall, that is what the banner
add says isn't it? It doesn't say "maybe"
now does it!

Oh, I forgot, he can't, because there are way
too many variables in this equation and the
improvements he's talking about are so small
if existant at all that they are well within
the noise margin.

It's funny how those with vested interests
see things through rose colored glasses, and worse yet, don't know it or won't admit it.

See, I too have an "opinion" about everything, but I know it is just that, an opinion! And I have nothing to gain by spending my time talking about this.

By the way, isn't it also most curious how Mike T. dives in to positive emails and encourages the potential Superchip buyer
and stays far away from other side, except
maybe to throw a spear and add some more
subjective hype to disclaim someone's "opinion"!

Specification writing is an artform unfortunately, rarely based on thorough testing and analysis, Superchip doesn't
even have a specification!

It works for shift improvement and acceleration in my opinion, that is all.

I'm done.

 

It certainly helped mine. I'm getting better than 22 mpg on the highway and got 25 one road trip. You might want to consider doing a tune up and change your oil every now and again.

 

My truck has very low mileage and is not nearly broken in. Therefore, one hesitates to reply, but, with just at 1000 miles, my 5.4L Harley is getting 17 mpg. Prior to the chip install at 750 miles I was getting about 15 mpg. I'm also driving it harder now and still getting an increase. FWIW.

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2000 F-150 Harley-Davidson
Hard Tonneau Cover
Superchip
Hidden Hitch w/Harley Logo
'99 FLHRCI '95 XLH

 

Guys, Ladies?,

Thanks for the input but you're missing the point. I too beleive the chip works consistantly in the area of shifting and acceleration, just not consistantly with the
MPG thing. All I was trying to do was get
Mike T. to sit back for a second and say
"ya now, you guys are just as right as I am"
"this thing can go either way" but instead
he gets abusive right away and taunts and challenges people who are experiencing what they are saying. The guy is like a broken record, I know my experience is unique, my own, and not necessarily the average. What
cracks me up is how Mike T. goes right
for the discredit and takes the high keyboard
ground to try and knock people down that
are just looking for some aknowledgement that
this is rulette. He acts like his opinion and self described experience is all that really counts. Well I've seen many children
make change faster than the salesman behind the counter!

 

Gonna spill over into this thread huh?

I agree with you... This is really nothing personal against Mike T. I dont even know the guy. But as for business... Being a skeptical consumer is being a good consumer.

Its not the greatest thing in the world but it does, for the most part, do what it says its going to do!

IF the price of oil wasn't so damn high it might not be a bad investment all around.

It MIGHT save you money in the long run by saving wear & tear on the trans... But that is also something that can be questioned... Although, I tend to agree with this PREMIS but I have never actually seen any real proof that it will in fact extend the life of the trans... It may injur it for all I know.

I'm glad to finally see others question.

I use Amsoil. But I have also started doing the oil analysis to find out for myself if this stuff is any better or not. So far, my data shows that the oil can make it to 11 K no problem and still have great properties. I REALLY doubt MOST conventionals can do this under the same conditions.



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Rand

98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)

 

Gonenorth1,

I have to disagree. I purchased a hypertech chip for my truck and it works great. Mike posted to my message and wasn't negative at all. His basic message was if it works for you and you're happy with it, more power to you. I'm sure he does have a vested interest, but who doesn't in some way. I've found his information extremely helpful on many issues. There seems to be many satisfied SuperChip users here. So I guess they can't all be wrong.

Besides who buys a chip for MPG gains?

JBRIII

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97 SC XLT 4.6L
K&N Gen II FIPK
75MM BBK TB
Gibson Super Truck Exhaust
Hypertech Chip
Steel Horse Upper and Lower Billet Grille's

 

This post...aint worth it....
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2000 XLT Silver 5.4L SC 4X4 ORP 157"wb Ford Floormats, Mudguards,Cabin Air Filter, lighted emblems, lighted interior door handles(all 4) Chrome Grill (4x2 style), Diamondplate bed caps, Pro-Tech tool box, Air Box mod, Muth Signal Mirrors, Custom Gauge Pod-(water temp, trans temp)
Perma-cool 8" Electric Trans Cooler Fan, (2) Perma-cool 14" electrics




[This message has been edited by Shark99 (edited 12-15-2000).]

 

Shark99:

Yes one gets worse gas mileage if pushing the engine harder! But I dont push it harder! I drive it the same as without.... Why? Becuase its NOT that much of a kick! The chip is nice, but not a mind blowing power increase like a supercharger.....

You said:

"Even if you drove the 'same route' every
day....your mileage will be different"

Sure, but if you log these variances you get what?.... AN AVERAGE!! This is the data you use to find if the chip gives the increase...

Its not doing this! In my opinion.

 

Lets see,

Superchip purchased from this website, $225, plus $10 shipping.


Supercharger, best price I have seen online $3000!

If you get 26 HP from the chip, you are paying about $9 for each pony.

If you get 100 HP from the supercharger, you are paying $30 per pony.

There are way too many variables to this comparison, but you get my point.

The chip is a good bargain, no matter how you slice it. I have had mine for almost 3 weeks, and I am impressed with all the improvements. I have kept my foot in it, and my MPG is still in my city-highway range of 14 to 16, what it was before the chip.

I intend to get a performance exhaust and FIPK to enhance my truck even more, but will probably never get an aftermarket supercharger. If I wanted a blown (Supercharged) engine, I would have bought the lightning! It comes with a full warranty!

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White 2000 XLT Flareside 4X2 Supercab, 5.4L Triton V-8, Automatic-3.55 LS, Class III Tow Package, Duraliner, White gauge faceplate, Alpine 60w x 4 CDA-7863.
Superchip
FUTURE MODS:
-K&N FIPK
-2001 Lightning wheels?
-Lightning front bumper cover, & foglights
-MTX Thunderforms for S/C
-Upgraded speakers in doors
-amplifier
-2" drop, front & rear
(I think that is a good start)

 

The Superchip works extremely well on my truck and was well worth the cost. Mike is absolutely top notch as far as customer service.

If you want to enjoy your truck more and like to buy your products from a knowledgeable, reputable businessman, buy a chip from Mike. If you want to save money, get a savings account.

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1999 XLT S/C, 4.2 V-6, auto, 3.55 rear, dark torreador red/harvest gold, Ford bed liner

Clarion ARX8570z Head Unit, Sony 10 disc CD, Infinity 610cs components & JBL GTO7520 speakers; USAcousitcs 4065 amp and Polk 8" subwoofer

Edelbrock IAS, Energy Suspension anti-sway bar bushings, Steeda Rear Anti-sway bar, 2" rear drop.

Superchip, Airaid FIPK, Flex-a-Lite Black Magic electric fan

 

Well Here's something for your information.

I have a manual transmission. I also have the superchip. My mpg has remained constant but I have also added more weight(cargo, nerf bars,lights, radios etc) to my truck. I had been out 4 wheeling and accidentally had my chip fall out (I've taped it better since then) On the way home I had to pull over to check my truck because I instantly knew that something was not right, I "FELT" the significant power loss after looking under the hood and not finding anything odd, I looked at the chip and saw it was loose, reinsert chip, add tape, power back at full strength.

Putting premium fuel in costs a lot, but I love my chip.

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Y2K F150 4x4 XL Med Torredor Red
4.2 5 speed,AIRAID, SuperCHIP,
3.55 LS, Leer camper shell, bedrug,
Ranchhand Rover Brushguard with 6 LIGHTS and
Wireless remote switch Tint/alarm/ aftermarket keyless entry/locks
2m/10m/11m/12m radios, Scanner
LT285/75/16 BFG All Terrains
regulator@f150driver.com

 

From another thread in the Engine area, sounds like the 28 HP might also be questionable?

Would be nice to see others who have easy/free access to a dyno and post findings!

 

rand, how do you feel about the h.p and mpg claims of: k&n filters, any catback exhaust, headers, and sythetic oil. i realize you might not have had any experience with all of them. i see you use synthetic, did your mpg increase? amsoils website claims mpg increase, how much was it? if it didnt are you going after them next?

 

BROTHERDAVE:

I have read MANY article and watched a few HP TV shows that all claim the K&N gives about 5-8 HP increases. I believe this.

I do have experience with quite a few mods, but only on my 95 Z28 LT1.

I have never seen any improved mileage from ANY synthetics I've used (Amsoil, Mobile1, Red Line, Castrol Syntech, Valvoline). I have seen a smoothing effect from all. More noticeably from Amsoil's 0W-30.

The exhaust systems are wierd! You REALLY need to do your homework here because you can adversely affect your HP and TQ. My Camaro had 2 exhaust outlets stock. I went to a 3" single outlet because it was know to give a better scavenging effect. The Flowmaster gave a noticeablt increase. About the same as the K&N or a little better. A FULL cat-back with NO cats is a very big increase. Better to do this after all other mods!

Throttle body was a very nice gain.

Cold Air intake was very nice.

Pulleys felt like an incredible tune-up.

Hypertech Power Programmer 3: Not bad!

Y-Pipe: installed with headers. Dont know.

HEADERS... OH THE HEADERS!! WOW!! THats all I can say! Very nice tone... Get Jet-Coated!

Sometimes a Torque converter can help and sometimes it can hurt! Do homework!!

Rear gears... 2.73's to 3.73's VERY VERY noticeable!

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My stock Z28 was around 275-280 HP and ran 0-60 at about 5.8 or so and about 14.0 on average in hte 1/4....

After all mods:

HP unknown, but adding all the aftermarket claims it was about 400 HP. I tend to agree because of my performance increases.

0-60 approx 4.5 on average (best was about 4.2)

1/4 mile was 13.2-13.3 average with a best of 13.1 @ 106 MPH ON STREET TIRES WITH SPIN!

Best (highly controvercial) 60 foot was 1.6? seconds. Avereaged 1.8 most of the time.

MPG before mods: 18-20 city 27-30 highway

After mods: 10-12 city 15 highway

HENCE, MODS WORK! They do work better in conjuction with other mods.... In other words, each helps the others!



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Rand

98 Ford Expedition 4X4 XLT
5.4, 3.73s, 17" wheels,
Homemade 3" "COLD" Air-Box
mod, SuperChip, Amsoil
everywhere but tranny, Perma-
Cool combo 6 pass trans/oil
cooler (FQR 5.4 @ 50K)

 

This is the best thread ive seen in a long time!
I mearly questioned mike a little bit on myself wanting more hard data and he blows up and attacks you. Its good to know im not alone. Mike im not trying to say your an @$$ or anything but your closed minded to consumer doubts.

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F150 97 4.6 v8 longbed
K&N Air filter
Hyper White xenon bulbs
Bedliner and Shell
6 disc cd changer