HP & mpg gains w/micro tuner
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HP & mpg gains w/micro tuner
I have now ordered my FIPK and magnaflow si/do... i am going to be doing something with a chip or tuner... what HP and MPG changes can i expect with troyer's micro tuner? I won't be buying for atleast 3-4 months as i don't want to rack up a huge credit card bill... $600 is plenty to chew on for a while... but i want to know more about this micro tuner. I understand it has three modes, the first of which sounds like it's stock and the next two above stock... but what performance changes will i see
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Hi Troy,
The way to find all that out (at least, with the best accuracy for your specific vehicle) is to give us a call at our number listed below, as we'll need to go over a number of things in order to give you the best answer. Things like your exact vehicle modifications, which engine, the fuel being used, how the vehicle is configured, it's computer code, any issues transitioning over into open loop, as well as how we're going to set up the custom tuning, etc. In other words, how much power you will gain is never going to be the same for all engines, configurations, & for all types of tunes in the F-150 (or any other vehicle, for that matter).
I'll give you some basic ideas on how much power can be gained in just a minute, but first - a quick word on MPG results. Performance tuning is just that - *performance* tuning, so it's not intended to increase mpg. Even though the vast majority of people using our tuning do in fact see nice mpg gains, any potential mpg gains from our performance tuning should be viewed as "icing on the cake," so to speak, rather than something that can be guaranteed. That being said, most people end up gaining somewhere between 1.0-2.5 mpg with our performance tuning, and that is simply a nice by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle. It's not something we're trying to do deliberately in our performance tuning, it just comes along for the ride, so to speak. Once the novelty of a new go-fast part wears off & driving returns back to normal, most people report anywhere from 1.0 to 2.5 mpg - there are some reports of no gain (which only happens if the owner drives the vehicle harder, or uses a lower energy fuel), and some who report as much as 3.5 more mpg - it seems to average out at about 1.7 mpg or so. That is what we get reported back to us from our customers, just to give you a rough idea.
Now we *can* do a tune that is designed to provide the best possible mpg if you like, and in a multi-tune type of product like our 9100 custom Micro Tuner, you can have 1 of the tunes be an "mpg tune" (for lack of a better term), and still have the other 2 tunes for higher levels of performance. This is relatively new (a few months), these so-called "mpg tunes," so we don't have as much mpg data as we have on our performance tunes - but so far, it appears that most people are gaining roughly 1.5-2.2 more mpg on 87 octane, and then anywhere from 2.0-4.5 more mpg on 93 octane tuning in our "mpg tunes." Of course, this depends on your driving style, terrain, & quality of fuel being used, as well as the condition of the vehicle.
With regard to power gains - let's say you have a typical '99-'03 5.4 F-150, which has 260 HP stock - on a bone-stock truck (which can't "breathe" very well), on a max performance tune for good quality 93 octane fuel, we generally gain anywhere from 26-32 HP - if it's got a good intake & cat-back exhaust, perhaps as much as 35 HP. If it's got a problem getting into open loop, we'll gain even more.
I'd say the most accurate way to look at it as roughly about a 10%-15% increase in peak horsepower over what the vehicle is making right now when we retune the engine for the use of good quality premium gasoline, just to give you a rough "scale" you can use regardless of which engine you have.
Now in terms of the actual performance gains (meaning the amount of improvement in actual acceleration times), in these F-150's that is anywhere from a low of about 5-7 tenths off the 1/4 mile times (which is quite a bit) to as much as over a full second off those times - this all depends on the vehicle's configuration (weight, engine, tranny, gear ratio, tire size, computer code, etc.).
Keep in mind that here we're not talking about the "standard" 1715 Superchips Micro Tuner, but instead, we're talking about our custom tuning delivered in the 9100 Micro Tuner (which is simply a version of Micro Tuner we can load custom tuning into). The power & performance, as well as mpg gains will all be less in the "standard" 1715 Micro Tuner, so you definitely want to go with our custom Micro Tuner for the best power, performance & mpg results.
In that custom Micro tuner, we can set up the 3 different tunes any way *you* want, & what is most appropriate for your mods, how you use the vehicle, etc. You are not locked into any set format, in other words - it's truly custom, done for each individual vehicle owner's requirements & desires.
I hope that gives you some quick basic info for now, & please feel free to give us a call if you'd like to go over this in more detail, go over the specifics of your vehicle, etc.
Thanks for your post,
The way to find all that out (at least, with the best accuracy for your specific vehicle) is to give us a call at our number listed below, as we'll need to go over a number of things in order to give you the best answer. Things like your exact vehicle modifications, which engine, the fuel being used, how the vehicle is configured, it's computer code, any issues transitioning over into open loop, as well as how we're going to set up the custom tuning, etc. In other words, how much power you will gain is never going to be the same for all engines, configurations, & for all types of tunes in the F-150 (or any other vehicle, for that matter).
I'll give you some basic ideas on how much power can be gained in just a minute, but first - a quick word on MPG results. Performance tuning is just that - *performance* tuning, so it's not intended to increase mpg. Even though the vast majority of people using our tuning do in fact see nice mpg gains, any potential mpg gains from our performance tuning should be viewed as "icing on the cake," so to speak, rather than something that can be guaranteed. That being said, most people end up gaining somewhere between 1.0-2.5 mpg with our performance tuning, and that is simply a nice by-product of the increased spark advance used on part-throttle. It's not something we're trying to do deliberately in our performance tuning, it just comes along for the ride, so to speak. Once the novelty of a new go-fast part wears off & driving returns back to normal, most people report anywhere from 1.0 to 2.5 mpg - there are some reports of no gain (which only happens if the owner drives the vehicle harder, or uses a lower energy fuel), and some who report as much as 3.5 more mpg - it seems to average out at about 1.7 mpg or so. That is what we get reported back to us from our customers, just to give you a rough idea.
Now we *can* do a tune that is designed to provide the best possible mpg if you like, and in a multi-tune type of product like our 9100 custom Micro Tuner, you can have 1 of the tunes be an "mpg tune" (for lack of a better term), and still have the other 2 tunes for higher levels of performance. This is relatively new (a few months), these so-called "mpg tunes," so we don't have as much mpg data as we have on our performance tunes - but so far, it appears that most people are gaining roughly 1.5-2.2 more mpg on 87 octane, and then anywhere from 2.0-4.5 more mpg on 93 octane tuning in our "mpg tunes." Of course, this depends on your driving style, terrain, & quality of fuel being used, as well as the condition of the vehicle.
With regard to power gains - let's say you have a typical '99-'03 5.4 F-150, which has 260 HP stock - on a bone-stock truck (which can't "breathe" very well), on a max performance tune for good quality 93 octane fuel, we generally gain anywhere from 26-32 HP - if it's got a good intake & cat-back exhaust, perhaps as much as 35 HP. If it's got a problem getting into open loop, we'll gain even more.
I'd say the most accurate way to look at it as roughly about a 10%-15% increase in peak horsepower over what the vehicle is making right now when we retune the engine for the use of good quality premium gasoline, just to give you a rough "scale" you can use regardless of which engine you have.
Now in terms of the actual performance gains (meaning the amount of improvement in actual acceleration times), in these F-150's that is anywhere from a low of about 5-7 tenths off the 1/4 mile times (which is quite a bit) to as much as over a full second off those times - this all depends on the vehicle's configuration (weight, engine, tranny, gear ratio, tire size, computer code, etc.).
Keep in mind that here we're not talking about the "standard" 1715 Superchips Micro Tuner, but instead, we're talking about our custom tuning delivered in the 9100 Micro Tuner (which is simply a version of Micro Tuner we can load custom tuning into). The power & performance, as well as mpg gains will all be less in the "standard" 1715 Micro Tuner, so you definitely want to go with our custom Micro Tuner for the best power, performance & mpg results.
In that custom Micro tuner, we can set up the 3 different tunes any way *you* want, & what is most appropriate for your mods, how you use the vehicle, etc. You are not locked into any set format, in other words - it's truly custom, done for each individual vehicle owner's requirements & desires.
I hope that gives you some quick basic info for now, & please feel free to give us a call if you'd like to go over this in more detail, go over the specifics of your vehicle, etc.
Thanks for your post,