FrankP,

Go to the following to see my custom mod:
https://www.f150online.com/f150board...ML/002019.html

Regards

Sean
SLC, UT

 

I am totaly confused now. Up until yesterday I only thought there was 2 makers of performance chips. I guess the jury is still out on which chip works the best. I almost bought a HyperTech chip because it was cheaper. The only reason I didn't was they say it was calibrated for 93 octain and I will not spend extra for gas. Regular unleaded works just fine for me. So is there a comparison chart showing the pros and cons of each chip side by side and which really works the best for the buck?

1997 F-150 XLT, Extend cab, 3rd door, long bed, 4.6 (winsor), V-8, K&N air filter,

[This message has been edited by bostondog (edited 07-30-2000).]

 

While Frank P is welcome to believe whatever he likes, there are some basic mistakes in some of the data posted in this thread, which I will point out.

First, there have been *no* cases of damage to any automatic transmission from increasing line pressure by the amount that this is increased by the Superchip, among any of our customers for almost 10 years now. Not once. Though that is a very silly argument/point, as Hypertech and everyone else in this business increases line pressure too! And while it may be *possible* to damage an automatic transmission by raising line pressure to silly levels, I have run in excess of 800 PSI of line pressure and never blown a single part, and that is almost 10 times the level of pressure we're talking about. The 4R70W tranny makes maybe 95-110 PSi of line pressure in it's various late-model applications over the past handful of years (the 4R100 doesn't make much more), and can easily withstand increasing that pressure much more. The only potential problem that anyone may run into in "the real world" with line pressure increases is with those few Ford transmissions that have too small an orifice diameter in the pressure control solenoid. In that condition, if you really crank up the line pressure, and I mean at least 50%-100% increases, which are far beyond what the Superchip does in these trucks, then you can make the transmission shift even softer in that rare situation, simply because it cannot flow enough fluid at extremely high pressures without enlarging that orifice size. Still no damage is done. To say nothing of the fact that while the Hypertech unit increases line pressure more than the Superchip does, it still does not make the transmission shift with nearly as good a "feel" as the Superchip does, as they do not do all the things we do that affect shift characteristics, such as shift delay signals, transitional spark retards during and after upshifts and even some downshifts, etc. The changes in the Superchip program are far more thorough, which is why it feels better using less line pressure than "the other guy".

As for losing error codes if you disconnect the battery, they remain for a certain number of KEKO cycles only, whether you disconnect the battery or not. If you have anything of a serious nature, I.E., an actual parts failure that sets a code, disconnecting the battery only clears that code until you start the engine again, and it immediately returns; worst case, with a mile or two of driving at most, that code is right back again.

Now there are some "transitional", or very intermittant problems that disconnecting your battery might makes it a bit more difficult to diagnose, but you lose that anyway after a certain number of KEKO (key on key off) cycles!

Another point mentioned is the issue of whether Hypertech tunes at any throttle position other than full-throttle, which they do not. They do not tune Fords like that, and their PPIII unit for the 1998 F-150, which was the only unit they were shipping for a long time, has shown *zero* gains on the dyno in terms of horsepower, their products are tested several times every year by us. The only vehicle we've seen them touch *anything* that could affect power on anything else than full throttle were a couple of their GM LT1-based applications, they found (actually, a friend of theirs at GM told them about that) one of the part-throttle spark maps and played with that, but that's it.

Frank P is absolutely free to purchase whatever he wants and we hope he enjoys whatever that is greatly. We're very glad to see that he is trying to obtain direct information, that's what we're all here for, the exchange of relevant & accurate information on what works best for each dollar spent. When we see a thread in which basic facts are flawed, then we will respond, we'd be falling down if we didn't. Frank P is welcome to think whatever he likes about what I've posted, just like everyone else, it's called having an opinion, which we're all entitled to.

It's very simple, if they made a product that could do what the Superchip does and do it better, we'd be selling it. They don't come close, so we aren't. We don't care what the name is on the outside, just what works on the inside. That is exactly why we have been to their facilities, and the facilities of Jet and every other "name" in this business. And what we see is almost every other chipmaker we visit using something from Superchips, either hardware, highly specialized software to develop these types of applications, or some of the real-time data acquisition gear that Superchips has invented that is required to properly reverse-engineer all the thousands of various applications each model year, etc.

The bottom line is that everyone has to do whatever makes *them* feel most comfortable. It's *your* vehicle, so you do whatever makes you happiest, and we wish you all the best!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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