This is to Mike T. I searched and couldn't find anybody else that asked this particulaer question. What are the HP and Torque gains a SuperChip will add to a '88 5.0L? (manual) I am really starting to consider one. It seems more of a 'easier' considerable power gain add-on. Thanks

 

Mike,

You should get 14hp & 39ft/lb with a Superchip if it is a F150. If you have a F250 HD you will get 15hp & 30ft/lb. What other mods have you done?

Ryan

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[This message has been edited by Mr. Superduty (edited 01-22-2000).]

 

Dear Fordby4,

Those figures listed above unfortunately are not correct. For the 5.0 in the 1988 F-150, the gains are 20 horsepower, and 30 lbs./ft. of torque.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.



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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

 

My mistake, I listed the gaind for 4.9.. Guess it was a long day

 

That isn't right either, I'm afraid. The gains on the 4.9 "Big 6" are 14 horsepower, and 31 lbs./ft. of torque.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
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(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

 

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Then I guess you had better update Superchips, Mike. The info that Superchips has given me must be wrong. While you are at it you might want to also update them on the gains from the 5.0 because I do believe that the Superchips web site also has that wrong.

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Just FYI,

Very rarely, as in almost never, is a gasoline engine is going to gain well over twice as much torque as it does horsepower from the standard Superchip, for starters, that's the first clue that the figure is incorrect. That is a characteristic only seen in low rpm turbocharged diesel engines, like the Powerstroke diesel, where it gains 50 horsepower and 100 lbs./ft. of torque from the "standard" Superchip. In every gasoline application, there is almost never over twice as much torque gained as horsepower, that simply cannot happen with the Superchip as a general rule. I have obviously had to go back and edit this post, so some of this text has changed. The closest any gasoline engine has ever come (*aside* from the Big 6 picking up 14 hp & 31 lbs./ft. of torque, it too is a low rpm torquer) is the 1999 V-10, which gained 29 hp and 55 lbs./ft. of torque. The first generation Lightning also came close, with it's 5.8 351 engine gaining 25 horsepower and 45 lbs./ft. of torque. If you stop and think about how horsepower is determined, which is simply as a derived figure based on torque measured over time, and time in this instance being represented by RPM, you quickly see that this can only happen in low rpm forced-induction motors as a general rule. Meaning, gaining well over twice as much torque as horsepower, that can only happen with the Superchip in those low rpm forced induction diesel engines, on a regular basis. The Big 6 picks up 31 lbs./ft. because of it's design; low rpm range, long stroke, etc. Again, it's characteristic is a low-rpm engine. Aside from the occasional oddball like this motor, you normally see gains of 10%-12% more horsepower, and anywhere from 12%-18% more peak torque.

High-rpm engines, like Hondas for exmaple, are just the opposite, and will show higher horsepower numbers than torque, just the opposite of the classic American V-8! This is due to them turning 7500 to as much as 9000 or more rpm. For example, one of their 2.2 engines makes 240 hp, but only about 160 lbs./ft. of torque. The only reason it's making those big horsepower numbers for it's small displacement is simply as a function of those high rpms!

The Superchips catalogs clearly show the gains for the 4.9 as 14 horsepower, and 31 lbs./ft. of torque, as they has ever since 1995, when I helped write a lot of that material in conjunction with Steve Madole, who is the Chief Engineer at Superchips.

Their web site is not kept up to date nearly as much as I'd like to see it, so it gets down to a matter of direct experience with their products, along with checking their catalog. Sally, the owner's daughter, used to keep up the web site and respond to all email, but she hasn't done that for a year or so now as they changed her job function, so it is not getting updated as often as we'd like to see. They're in the process of getting that taken care of too.

Another point is, if somebody asks *me* specfically a question, please allow *me* to answer it, with correct information. His post clearly started with "This is to Mike T", and that is me. Thank you!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

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Hey Mike,

I'm not trying to start anything, but you contradict yourself very much in that last post. I really like the superchip and definitely plan on adding one as soon as it is financially feasable.

But, you stated that "In every gasoline application, there is never over twice as much torque gained as horsepower, that simply cannot happen with the Superchip."

Then you stated that "The Superchips catalogs clearly show the gains for the 4.9 as 14 horsepower, and 31 lbs./ft. of torque"

I'm no Albert Einstein or anything, but 31 is definitely more than twice 14!! Is this a typo....or what gives?


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Chris Thomas
1998 F-150XLT Flareside STX Sport Package, 4.6L Auto 3.55 Oxford White/Gray interior, Factory Anti-theft system
Picture: http://216.147.104.171/Y2K/members/ChrisT/christ1a.jpg
Mods: A.R.E. Decklid/Oxford White with gray fabric liner, K&N filter with Airbox Mod (removed silencer), Tinted Windows, GTS sloted taillight covers (painted Oxford white to match), Removed STX stickers
Audio: Kenwood Truck speakers with 10" woofers, Rockford Fosgate and Alpine Amps, Ford 10 disk CD changer
Future Mods: 3/4 Lowering Kit (Maybe 4/6 if I don't have to change tires at the same time), 20" rims and tires, True duals with Supertrap tunable mufflers, Superchip, Supercharger, Jacobs Ignition, NOS, and whatever else I can think of!!!

 

LOL, No prob Mike,

I got the point you were making, but the numbers just caught my eye and thought it was probably a typo. I know you are very knowledgeable and very thorough in your posts and that is the reason why there are 2 superchips in my future. One for my truck and one for my wife's '96 Mustang GT convertible.



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Chris Thomas
1998 F-150XLT Flareside STX Sport Package, 4.6L Auto 3.55 Oxford White/Gray interior, Factory Anti-theft system
Picture: http://216.147.104.171/Y2K/members/ChrisT/christ1a.jpg
Mods: A.R.E. Decklid/Oxford White with gray fabric liner, K&N filter with Airbox Mod (removed silencer), Tinted Windows, GTS sloted taillight covers (painted Oxford white to match), Removed STX stickers
Audio: Kenwood Truck speakers with 10" woofers, Rockford Fosgate and Alpine Amps, Ford 10 disk CD changer
Future Mods: 3/4 Lowering Kit (Maybe 4/6 if I don't have to change tires at the same time), 20" rims and tires, True duals with Supertrap tunable mufflers, Superchip, Supercharger, Jacobs Ignition, NOS, and whatever else I can think of!!!

 

Mr. SD keep putting foot in mouth. Go ahead, make a fool of yourself Mr. S D. Who the heck is this remora anyway?

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Like I had said above, it was a long day.. I listed the wrong numbers for the 5.0 AND I answered a message that was directed towards Mike.... As you can see in my first post I addressed it to "Mike". Enough said or should we drag it out more?

 

Enough said Mr. SD. I apologize for my misbehavior.

 

Good point!

My point was simply that, and perhaps I should have stated it more clearly, that anytime you see a torque figure so far in excess of the hp figure on a gasoline engine, something is usually wrong with the numbers. My post was an attempt to give him some guidance as to when he's looking up gain numbers, so he'd have some general guidelines to go along, that's all. Though I love Superchips dearly, they are a bit slow on updating their web site, so for dealers depending on that as their primary source of information, it can sometimes cause you to quote incorrect figures. It used to happen to us years ago, when we were first starting out, and didn't know the product like we do now, after working with Superchips for many years. As a matter of fact, that was the whole reason that Steve Madole and I worked together in 1995 to get all those hundreds of different spec sheets updated with correct information.

Superchips has over 6000 different applications now, so it is easy to make a mistake when looking at all those numbers in rows and columns, it's human nature. So my post was an attempt to share some of that knowledge, and let him know that you cannot always depend on the web site for the most up to date info, and also to share some characteristics of some of the biggest differences in engines, such as the high-rpm Hondas, etc.

The 4.9's characteristics are, once again, those of a low-rpm engine, though it is normally aspirated. It was designed from the factory to be a low-rpm torque producer, as are most big inline 6's, so it does gain a bit more torque than any other gas motor. I beg your pardon, you are quite correct in pointing that out, thanks.

For example, in these late-model F-150's the gains for the 4.2 V-6 are 25 hp & 31 lbs./ft. of torque. The 4.6 gains 26 hp & 40 lbs./ft., and then the 5.4 gains 26-28 horsepower, and 42-46 lbs./ft. of torque. This is indicative of other gasoline engines as well, where they will not gain twice as much torque as they will gain horsepower.

My point was simply that if you see a figure of 14 hp and 39 lbs./ft. of torque, there we have *way* over twice as much torque, which doesn't happen with gasoline engines. That is a characteristic of low rpm forced-induction engines primarily, but I would have been more accurate by not using the word "never", you're absolutely correct.

Powerstroke diesels, being low rpm (redline is at 3500 rpm) forced-induction engines, do see gains in torque as a general rule that are close to or exceeding twice the horsepower gain. For example, for the 1999 and later Powerstroke, the standard Superchip adds 50 horsepower, and 100 lbs./ft. of torque. The Offroad version gains 65 hp & 125 lbs./ft., and then the Extreme version gains 100 hp and 187-200 lbs./ft. of torque. That's something you're not going to see on a gas engine, and that was the point I was making. Thanks for pointing this out to me, I'll go see if I can pull my foot out of my mouth now.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

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Hey, I have a 95 F-150 with a 302/Auto. What cost would I be getting into if I got a superchip, and would I have to change to a colder thermostat? Good seat of the pants power increase??

Thanks


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