Superchips - Data Protection
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Superchips - Data Protection
Looking at a Tuner from Troyer. Question is how safe is the FLASH in the Tuner. If it saves my stock settings, what are the chances it can lose the settings?
Also is the u/l program a little better or would you notice a big difference.
Also is the u/l program a little better or would you notice a big difference.
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Hi Lars,
Just a couple points FYI.............
There are many posts already here that will tell you plenty about the results from our tuning, available 24 hrs a day for anyone to read - you can simply scan the thread titles and you will very quickly find posts about the results from our tuning. There's also the excellent search feature here, with which you can instantly retrieve posts on any topic. In other words, just letting you know that there are a couple of ways you can get the info you want a lot quicker than having to wait for someone who has already posted their results to come back and type that same info again - just FYI.
One of the more recent posts you may find interesting was made by F-150 Online member "openclasspro" - here just recently, he compared the "standard" 1715 Superchips Micro tuner and another product to our custom tuning in the 9100 Micro Tuner, and posted his results, impressions, some 1/4 mile times, etc.
The Micro Tuner stores your stock factory program for as long as you want it to, and it's perfectly safe even if you leave it up on a shelf for 2 years - that stock program will still be there, as long as the Micro Tuner is handled & stored properly - like not being stored below freezing temperatures, etc. that stock program is not going to be "lost," etc., as long as you use the Micro Tuner according to the included instruction manual. So with regard to the reliability with which it stores your stock program, that is simply not an issue - used correctly, it's always there when it's supposed to be.
I would say that in general, about the only things to be aware of are that you can't store or use the unit in freezing temperatures, and that when you go in for service, if it's powertrain related - then return the vehicle's tuning back to stock first, just in case the service department reflashes the PCM with a different or "updated" factory program. I wouldn't go back to stock for an oil change, but if you had a scenario in which there was some kind of problem with the powertrain, I would return the tuning back to stock before taking the vehicle in, just in case. If they reflash the PCM during a service visit and you have properly returned the tuning back to stock before taking the vehicle in, then everything is fine, the Micro Tuner works and it will store the new stock program when you reinstall the performance tuning.
With regard as to what the results of our tuning are going to "feel like," that is purely subjective. There is well over 3000 lbs. of weight difference in the various configurations of F-150, with some weighing 7000 lbs and some weighing less than 5000 lbs., so that is far too inaccurate - and of course, some people can't feel a 30 HP gain in a 2-ton truck, while others will say "WOW!" over a 10 HP gain - again, that's far too variable & subjective to be of any real relevant value, and doesn't "measure" or in any way "quantify" the actual amount of performance improvement. So just remember, those are purely *subjective* evaluations, and combined with the huge weight variations, different gear ratios, tire sizes, PCM software revisions and all the other things that vary from one F-150 to the next and thus affect performance of each individual F-150 compared to another, those kinds of subjective evaluations aren't worth much for "comparison," as there's no common denominator, no level playing field, so to speak.
The way properly evaluate the actual amount of performance improvement from any performance modification/part in these vehicles is to do before & after controlled timed acceleration testing. Now in that regard, the *average* result from our custom tuning is a tad over 7 tenths off the 1/4 mile times, and a half-second off the 0-60 times - that's on average. Some trucks see more, as much as over a full second off the 1/4 mile times, and then a few see a bit less - like 5 tenths off the 1/4 mile times.
But in all cases, a properly optimized powertrain program is generally the single best "bang for the buck" performance enhancement you can buy for your F-150. Of course tuning is not going to turn a 2.5-3 ton truck into a rocketship - the tuning is simply the best bang for the buck in terms of dollars spent per amount of performance improvement. And that is usually the case with most computer controlled vehicles in general, not just these F-150's, or just Fords, etc.
If you'd like to get a feel for what your particular truck will see from our performance tuning, feel free to give us a call and we can go over that with you - go over the exact configuration, it's computer code, etc., and let you know what's actually going on in its stock programming, and roughly about what you can realistically expect from our tuning, if that would be helpful for you.
I know you're looking for response from others, I just wanted to let you know how to get that information instantly, as well as giving you a bit of perspective here, for whatever that may or may not be worth to you.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
Just a couple points FYI.............
There are many posts already here that will tell you plenty about the results from our tuning, available 24 hrs a day for anyone to read - you can simply scan the thread titles and you will very quickly find posts about the results from our tuning. There's also the excellent search feature here, with which you can instantly retrieve posts on any topic. In other words, just letting you know that there are a couple of ways you can get the info you want a lot quicker than having to wait for someone who has already posted their results to come back and type that same info again - just FYI.
One of the more recent posts you may find interesting was made by F-150 Online member "openclasspro" - here just recently, he compared the "standard" 1715 Superchips Micro tuner and another product to our custom tuning in the 9100 Micro Tuner, and posted his results, impressions, some 1/4 mile times, etc.
The Micro Tuner stores your stock factory program for as long as you want it to, and it's perfectly safe even if you leave it up on a shelf for 2 years - that stock program will still be there, as long as the Micro Tuner is handled & stored properly - like not being stored below freezing temperatures, etc. that stock program is not going to be "lost," etc., as long as you use the Micro Tuner according to the included instruction manual. So with regard to the reliability with which it stores your stock program, that is simply not an issue - used correctly, it's always there when it's supposed to be.
I would say that in general, about the only things to be aware of are that you can't store or use the unit in freezing temperatures, and that when you go in for service, if it's powertrain related - then return the vehicle's tuning back to stock first, just in case the service department reflashes the PCM with a different or "updated" factory program. I wouldn't go back to stock for an oil change, but if you had a scenario in which there was some kind of problem with the powertrain, I would return the tuning back to stock before taking the vehicle in, just in case. If they reflash the PCM during a service visit and you have properly returned the tuning back to stock before taking the vehicle in, then everything is fine, the Micro Tuner works and it will store the new stock program when you reinstall the performance tuning.
With regard as to what the results of our tuning are going to "feel like," that is purely subjective. There is well over 3000 lbs. of weight difference in the various configurations of F-150, with some weighing 7000 lbs and some weighing less than 5000 lbs., so that is far too inaccurate - and of course, some people can't feel a 30 HP gain in a 2-ton truck, while others will say "WOW!" over a 10 HP gain - again, that's far too variable & subjective to be of any real relevant value, and doesn't "measure" or in any way "quantify" the actual amount of performance improvement. So just remember, those are purely *subjective* evaluations, and combined with the huge weight variations, different gear ratios, tire sizes, PCM software revisions and all the other things that vary from one F-150 to the next and thus affect performance of each individual F-150 compared to another, those kinds of subjective evaluations aren't worth much for "comparison," as there's no common denominator, no level playing field, so to speak.
The way properly evaluate the actual amount of performance improvement from any performance modification/part in these vehicles is to do before & after controlled timed acceleration testing. Now in that regard, the *average* result from our custom tuning is a tad over 7 tenths off the 1/4 mile times, and a half-second off the 0-60 times - that's on average. Some trucks see more, as much as over a full second off the 1/4 mile times, and then a few see a bit less - like 5 tenths off the 1/4 mile times.
But in all cases, a properly optimized powertrain program is generally the single best "bang for the buck" performance enhancement you can buy for your F-150. Of course tuning is not going to turn a 2.5-3 ton truck into a rocketship - the tuning is simply the best bang for the buck in terms of dollars spent per amount of performance improvement. And that is usually the case with most computer controlled vehicles in general, not just these F-150's, or just Fords, etc.
If you'd like to get a feel for what your particular truck will see from our performance tuning, feel free to give us a call and we can go over that with you - go over the exact configuration, it's computer code, etc., and let you know what's actually going on in its stock programming, and roughly about what you can realistically expect from our tuning, if that would be helpful for you.
I know you're looking for response from others, I just wanted to let you know how to get that information instantly, as well as giving you a bit of perspective here, for whatever that may or may not be worth to you.
Best of luck whatever you decide,