superchips micro tuner
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superchips micro tuner
I currently have a 1715 micro tuner, and I thought I read on hear that superchips will let you trade in you 1715 micro tuner, pay some cash and they will send you the new superchips tuner (9100 i think). Is the correct, has anybody done this. Any info would help.
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Hi Brian,
No, Superchips does not have any such program.
Now once in a while, for some of *our* customers, depending on the product they have, what different product they want, etc. we occasionally do some trade-up deals here at Troyer Performance - that isn't Superchips doing that, that is *us*. That is probably what you saw being discussed here, at some point.
We cannot do that with the 9100 - it's not like a 1715, it doesn't come to us already tuned & ready to sell. The 9100 arrives blank, and is basically useless until *we* spend all the time & effort required to do the kind of in-depth individual consultation and custom tuning that we do here at Troyer Performance for our 9100 customers.
I would suggest that you keep your 1715 and continue to enjoy what you bought. It works fine, gives great power gains and does exactly what it was designed to do, and what you bought it for.
If you want to get the additional power & performance gains from our custom tuning in the 9100 enough to take a loss on that 1715, then you can always sell that 1715 outright by listing it here in the Classified Ad section of F-150 Online - that is always the way to get the most for it. Plenty of people are cruising the Classifieds here always looking for bargains on used parts, and then you can use those proceeds to offset the cost of having us do our custom tuning in the 9100 for you.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
No, Superchips does not have any such program.
Now once in a while, for some of *our* customers, depending on the product they have, what different product they want, etc. we occasionally do some trade-up deals here at Troyer Performance - that isn't Superchips doing that, that is *us*. That is probably what you saw being discussed here, at some point.
We cannot do that with the 9100 - it's not like a 1715, it doesn't come to us already tuned & ready to sell. The 9100 arrives blank, and is basically useless until *we* spend all the time & effort required to do the kind of in-depth individual consultation and custom tuning that we do here at Troyer Performance for our 9100 customers.
I would suggest that you keep your 1715 and continue to enjoy what you bought. It works fine, gives great power gains and does exactly what it was designed to do, and what you bought it for.
If you want to get the additional power & performance gains from our custom tuning in the 9100 enough to take a loss on that 1715, then you can always sell that 1715 outright by listing it here in the Classified Ad section of F-150 Online - that is always the way to get the most for it. Plenty of people are cruising the Classifieds here always looking for bargains on used parts, and then you can use those proceeds to offset the cost of having us do our custom tuning in the 9100 for you.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
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Thanks for then info Mike, I am looking into getting a pully; therefore, I will need a tuner or chip. I was thinking about getting the new superchips tuner or the diablo, and getting a custom tune, and that is why I was wondering if I could trade it in. Oh well looks like I will be selling. Thanks again for the info.
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9100 vs. 1715
Mike,
I just installed the tuner program you wrote for my computer. Excellent!! I had previously used the 1715 tuner, which is a nice piece of equipment and a good program. I used to experience a lag at about 2800 rpm, even with the 1715 program. Now, using your custom tune program, it pulls strong throughout the rpm range. Thanks for a great job!
I just installed the tuner program you wrote for my computer. Excellent!! I had previously used the 1715 tuner, which is a nice piece of equipment and a good program. I used to experience a lag at about 2800 rpm, even with the 1715 program. Now, using your custom tune program, it pulls strong throughout the rpm range. Thanks for a great job!
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Hey Brian (03WHITELIGHTIN),
One quick thought here - the newer 1715's (the ones made after mid-September last year) also have a program for the Lightning that you *can* use a 4 PSI pulley with. This applies to all the 1715 Micro Tuners that have the 3 different tunes for the non-Lightning F-150's - those same units also have a tune that you can use with a 4 PSI pulley in there.
Now of course we'd love to have you in the 9100 with our custom tuning, and you can see what everyone else who has used the 1715 and our custom tuning has to say about the additional power & performance gains they get with our custom tuning - but just in case, it will help you, the newer 1715's also have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley you can use in the Lightning, just in case you didn't know.
If you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, just give us a call, OK?
Good luck!
One quick thought here - the newer 1715's (the ones made after mid-September last year) also have a program for the Lightning that you *can* use a 4 PSI pulley with. This applies to all the 1715 Micro Tuners that have the 3 different tunes for the non-Lightning F-150's - those same units also have a tune that you can use with a 4 PSI pulley in there.
Now of course we'd love to have you in the 9100 with our custom tuning, and you can see what everyone else who has used the 1715 and our custom tuning has to say about the additional power & performance gains they get with our custom tuning - but just in case, it will help you, the newer 1715's also have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley you can use in the Lightning, just in case you didn't know.
If you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, just give us a call, OK?
Good luck!
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Hey Brian (03WHITELIGHTIN),
One quick thought here - the newer 1715's (the ones made after mid-September last year) also have a program for the Lightning that you *can* use a 4 PSI pulley with. This applies to all the 1715 Micro Tuners that have the 3 different tunes for the non-Lightning F-150's - those same units also have a tune that you can use with a 4 PSI pulley in there.
Now of course we'd love to have you in the 9100 with our custom tuning, and you can see what everyone else who has used the 1715 and our custom tuning has to say about the additional power & performance gains they get with our custom tuning - but just in case, it will help you, the newer 1715's also have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley you can use in the Lightning, just in case you didn't know.
If you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, just give us a call, OK?
Good luck!
One quick thought here - the newer 1715's (the ones made after mid-September last year) also have a program for the Lightning that you *can* use a 4 PSI pulley with. This applies to all the 1715 Micro Tuners that have the 3 different tunes for the non-Lightning F-150's - those same units also have a tune that you can use with a 4 PSI pulley in there.
Now of course we'd love to have you in the 9100 with our custom tuning, and you can see what everyone else who has used the 1715 and our custom tuning has to say about the additional power & performance gains they get with our custom tuning - but just in case, it will help you, the newer 1715's also have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley you can use in the Lightning, just in case you didn't know.
If you'd like to go over any of this in more detail, just give us a call, OK?
Good luck!
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Hi Brian,
Ahh, now I finally understand - so you have the original "single-tune" style of 1715 unit that does not have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley.
In the newer 1715's that do have that 4 PSI pulley tune, you do *not* have the problem with detonation that is so frequently talked about with the Predator's tune for the larger boost pulley. We do not have that problem in the newer multi-tune versions of the 1715 that have the 4 PSI tune for the Lightnings & Harleys.
However, since you already have to have a different unit anyway due to having the *original* 1715 (well, you could pay a fee and have Superchips update it for you to the multi-tune version), I would agree, going custom with the 4-bank 9100 is the hot tip by far - you'll get the best tuning (assuming we do it), and you'll have 4-bank technology too, so no matter what performance mods you ever do to that truck, it can be tuned for.
I wish we had enough profit margin in those 9100's to be able to work a trade-up deal for you on that 1715 unit, but there just isn't - on custom tunes we're lucky if we break even on the 9100's due to how much time we have to spend on our thorough custom tuning. I don't know if this *might* be of any interest to you, but we sometimes *can* do a trade-up deal towards the 4-program custom 4-bank chip, if that might help you get this done. That gives you 5 programs (your stock tune and then 4 additional custom tunes) available *instantly* at the turn of it's selector ****. That means you can change tunes literally sitting at stoplight, for example - our nitrous racers love that capability. Anyway, that is one way we can work with you on a potential trade-up deal to get you into a state-of-the-art 4-bank product with multiple custom tunes, if that might be of interest to you.
Just letting you know all the options, & best of luck whatever you decide!
Ahh, now I finally understand - so you have the original "single-tune" style of 1715 unit that does not have a tune for a 4 PSI pulley.
In the newer 1715's that do have that 4 PSI pulley tune, you do *not* have the problem with detonation that is so frequently talked about with the Predator's tune for the larger boost pulley. We do not have that problem in the newer multi-tune versions of the 1715 that have the 4 PSI tune for the Lightnings & Harleys.
However, since you already have to have a different unit anyway due to having the *original* 1715 (well, you could pay a fee and have Superchips update it for you to the multi-tune version), I would agree, going custom with the 4-bank 9100 is the hot tip by far - you'll get the best tuning (assuming we do it), and you'll have 4-bank technology too, so no matter what performance mods you ever do to that truck, it can be tuned for.
I wish we had enough profit margin in those 9100's to be able to work a trade-up deal for you on that 1715 unit, but there just isn't - on custom tunes we're lucky if we break even on the 9100's due to how much time we have to spend on our thorough custom tuning. I don't know if this *might* be of any interest to you, but we sometimes *can* do a trade-up deal towards the 4-program custom 4-bank chip, if that might help you get this done. That gives you 5 programs (your stock tune and then 4 additional custom tunes) available *instantly* at the turn of it's selector ****. That means you can change tunes literally sitting at stoplight, for example - our nitrous racers love that capability.
Anyway, that is one way we can work with you on a potential trade-up deal to get you into a state-of-the-art 4-bank product with multiple custom tunes, if that might be of interest to you.Just letting you know all the options, & best of luck whatever you decide!
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I wish we had enough profit margin in those 9100's to be able to work a trade-up deal for you on that 1715 unit, but there just isn't - on custom tunes we're lucky if we break even on the 9100's due to how much time we have to spend on our thorough custom tuning. I don't know if this *might* be of any interest to you, but we sometimes *can* do a trade-up deal towards the 4-program custom 4-bank chip, if that might help you get this done. That gives you 5 programs (your stock tune and then 4 additional custom tunes) available *instantly* at the turn of it's selector ****. That means you can change tunes literally sitting at stoplight, for example - our nitrous racers love that capability. Anyway, that is one way we can work with you on a potential trade-up deal to get you into a state-of-the-art 4-bank product with multiple custom tunes, if that might be of interest to you.
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Hi Brian,
I hear you - some people do have those concerns, and you have to do whatever *you* feel most comfortable with - absolutely.
With regard to the installation differences, sure - the chip does take a bit more work to install, you bet. And one of my pet peeves with chipmakers historically is that they generally do not provide what I feel is thorough enough documentation to take a first-time installer thru all of this smoothly, with *no* surprises, etc. Which is why we write extremely thorough documentation that we send out in *addition* to the manufacturer's docs when we ship our chips out. Our docs are designed to take a first time installer of a chip on an F-150 thru this with no mistakes and so they do not run into "surprises." We're thorough in how we describe the proper cleaning of the connector, in terms of everything from exactly how we do it, to the visual characteristics, to you name it. Anyone who reads and follows our instructions will not have a problem installing our chips. So from an installation standpoint, with our supplemental docs that really isn't an issue - it just takes more time to do the *initial* installation than the Micro Tuner does. But after the *initial* installation, the chip is much quicker to change programs with, as well as much quicker to remove or replace the chip after removing it, etc.
For me personally (and others may feel differently), the thing that I like about a flash device over a chip actually has nothing whatsoever to do with warranty - what I like about the flash device is simply the fact that when you flash the PCM, you have absolutely no limitations with *any* OBD-II scan tools when doing diagnostics or datalogging. Sometimes, with some scan tools, when a chip is present on that J3 connector the scanner may not be able to communicate fully with the PCM - that happens with Ford's WDS system, but not with the NGS Star tester that Ford dealership service departments also have. And no problems with packages like AutoTap, etc. It's just *some* scan tools that have that problem - and of course, once the chip is installed, it only takes all of a minute to remove it or to reinstall it after you do your diagnostics, if need be with a particular type of scan tool.
The bottom lien is, either way certainly works fine, and since both are available, each vehicle owner has the freedom to do whatever they prefer - so you do what makes *you* happy.
Have fun,
I hear you - some people do have those concerns, and you have to do whatever *you* feel most comfortable with - absolutely.
With regard to the installation differences, sure - the chip does take a bit more work to install, you bet. And one of my pet peeves with chipmakers historically is that they generally do not provide what I feel is thorough enough documentation to take a first-time installer thru all of this smoothly, with *no* surprises, etc. Which is why we write extremely thorough documentation that we send out in *addition* to the manufacturer's docs when we ship our chips out. Our docs are designed to take a first time installer of a chip on an F-150 thru this with no mistakes and so they do not run into "surprises." We're thorough in how we describe the proper cleaning of the connector, in terms of everything from exactly how we do it, to the visual characteristics, to you name it. Anyone who reads and follows our instructions will not have a problem installing our chips. So from an installation standpoint, with our supplemental docs that really isn't an issue - it just takes more time to do the *initial* installation than the Micro Tuner does. But after the *initial* installation, the chip is much quicker to change programs with, as well as much quicker to remove or replace the chip after removing it, etc.
For me personally (and others may feel differently), the thing that I like about a flash device over a chip actually has nothing whatsoever to do with warranty - what I like about the flash device is simply the fact that when you flash the PCM, you have absolutely no limitations with *any* OBD-II scan tools when doing diagnostics or datalogging. Sometimes, with some scan tools, when a chip is present on that J3 connector the scanner may not be able to communicate fully with the PCM - that happens with Ford's WDS system, but not with the NGS Star tester that Ford dealership service departments also have. And no problems with packages like AutoTap, etc. It's just *some* scan tools that have that problem - and of course, once the chip is installed, it only takes all of a minute to remove it or to reinstall it after you do your diagnostics, if need be with a particular type of scan tool.
The bottom lien is, either way certainly works fine, and since both are available, each vehicle owner has the freedom to do whatever they prefer - so you do what makes *you* happy.
Have fun,