Appology to Mike and Superchips!
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Appology to Mike and Superchips!
In my topic "Dissapointed" which I misspelled..Arghh, I went off the edge a little (maybe a lot.) To all of you and especially Mike I am truly sorry for my typed misbehavior! I am more than satisfied with the effort Mike has taken both before and after the sale of this product! He is absolutely right in that I should have called him first rather the disparage him (though I did not mean to be personal in any way) on F150ONLINE. That was in poor taste and only reflected my desire to play with a new toy. So I am still a child at heart..
To make up for it I am going to go out tonite and blow off every $#@% Dodge and Chevy truck I can find!
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1999 F250 LD 5.4 4x4 Lariat Supercab. White & Silver
Supercharged, dual exhaust, K&N, Hidden Winch, Billet grill, Color GPS, Chrome Nerf & Flaps, clear tail & turn lenses, 9007 headlights, Inyati liner.
To make up for it I am going to go out tonite and blow off every $#@% Dodge and Chevy truck I can find!
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1999 F250 LD 5.4 4x4 Lariat Supercab. White & Silver
Supercharged, dual exhaust, K&N, Hidden Winch, Billet grill, Color GPS, Chrome Nerf & Flaps, clear tail & turn lenses, 9007 headlights, Inyati liner.
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From: Virginia
Dear Wynjammer,
Thanks very much, it was *very* kind of you to post that apology. Welcome to the world of being human! (Hey, I like my toys, too!) I'm of course very glad to hear that you're up and running, and it will be very interesting to see what kind of results you get with the custom chip, compensated for the supercharger. We usually see a very nice improvement in off-boost performance, as well as when on-boost.
I'll be very interested to hear your feedback on this application. What I'd really like to be able to do is to have it on the dyno for a solid before & after, complete with Air/Fuel ratio monitoring, EGT, etc., that would show us just how much power can be made total with the 6.0-6.5 psi your blower is making, given the fuel supply available, meaning using pump gas.
It should be a lot of fun, at any rate.
Enjoy,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Thanks very much, it was *very* kind of you to post that apology. Welcome to the world of being human! (Hey, I like my toys, too!) I'm of course very glad to hear that you're up and running, and it will be very interesting to see what kind of results you get with the custom chip, compensated for the supercharger. We usually see a very nice improvement in off-boost performance, as well as when on-boost.
I'll be very interested to hear your feedback on this application. What I'd really like to be able to do is to have it on the dyno for a solid before & after, complete with Air/Fuel ratio monitoring, EGT, etc., that would show us just how much power can be made total with the 6.0-6.5 psi your blower is making, given the fuel supply available, meaning using pump gas.
It should be a lot of fun, at any rate.
Enjoy,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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Mike, thanks for your understanding! and gads I misspelled another topic..double ARGHH! Oh well..Whadaya expect from a two year old...
Anyway, I do intend to do a 1/4 mile track and a dyno this week if schedule will allow. As you know the little woman is out of town for a while and I get to play ... for a while. I assume I can simple have the dyno run with and without the chip for comparison but what about learning period? Also anything I should or shouldn't do in terms of the initial learning period of the new chip in general?
Anyway, I do intend to do a 1/4 mile track and a dyno this week if schedule will allow. As you know the little woman is out of town for a while and I get to play ... for a while. I assume I can simple have the dyno run with and without the chip for comparison but what about learning period? Also anything I should or shouldn't do in terms of the initial learning period of the new chip in general?
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From: Virginia
Dear Wynjammer,
Hey, you should see my posts if spelling bothers you! I'm lost without a spellchecker, too many years of wordprocessing!
You do raise an interesting point with regards to relearn, and it's effects on your dyno results. The WOT (wide-open throttle) performance is a separate parameter, as the vehicle is running on the lookup tables instead of sensor data, and because we spend so little time at WOT, it consequently takes longer for the WOT relearn to take place. An example of this is on my own car, that I had been having transmission shifting troubles with, due to fluid being badly overheated. I replaced the valvebody, all solonoids, installed a high-tech billet cooler, deeper pan, and a Transgo shift kit. A lot of work, at the end of which, my transmission shifted even worse on WOT 1-2 upshifts! It slipped, and was prolonged, just terrible! I was fit to be tied, this was a few months ago that all this work was done, and the vehicle is just now shifting very quickly and crisply, with a nice "bark" from the tires on the WOT 1-2 upshift. Again, we spend so little time at WOT. I never thought that my problem could possibly be related to relearn, after having spent $1300 on the tranny upgrades, but in fact it was. The point being, WOT relearn is indeed a factor, and doing back-to-back dyno runs may not allow enough relearn time to maximize your results. You should certainly see some difference, but it may take longer to see *all* the benefits of the custom program. Specialty tuners such as Jack Rousch, or John Lingenfelter, have as many as 10-12 chassis dynos, of varying types, because they have to defend against owner's reporting different dyno results when they get their vehicle back to their home state after installing one of the tuner's packages. It happens all the time, as unfortunately, not all chassis dynos are created alike.
The bottom line is, you have to make do with whatever is available, so while you may not get absolutely the best results in a back-to-back situation, there should still be good enough data to work with. Just make sure that you're not having any driveability problems before going on the dyno, so just check that by doing some WOT driving with the custom program in place. Then you'll be ready to do the back-to-back dyno pulls, and let the numbers fall where they may!
Please do let us know what happens,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Hey, you should see my posts if spelling bothers you! I'm lost without a spellchecker, too many years of wordprocessing!
You do raise an interesting point with regards to relearn, and it's effects on your dyno results. The WOT (wide-open throttle) performance is a separate parameter, as the vehicle is running on the lookup tables instead of sensor data, and because we spend so little time at WOT, it consequently takes longer for the WOT relearn to take place. An example of this is on my own car, that I had been having transmission shifting troubles with, due to fluid being badly overheated. I replaced the valvebody, all solonoids, installed a high-tech billet cooler, deeper pan, and a Transgo shift kit. A lot of work, at the end of which, my transmission shifted even worse on WOT 1-2 upshifts! It slipped, and was prolonged, just terrible! I was fit to be tied, this was a few months ago that all this work was done, and the vehicle is just now shifting very quickly and crisply, with a nice "bark" from the tires on the WOT 1-2 upshift. Again, we spend so little time at WOT. I never thought that my problem could possibly be related to relearn, after having spent $1300 on the tranny upgrades, but in fact it was. The point being, WOT relearn is indeed a factor, and doing back-to-back dyno runs may not allow enough relearn time to maximize your results. You should certainly see some difference, but it may take longer to see *all* the benefits of the custom program. Specialty tuners such as Jack Rousch, or John Lingenfelter, have as many as 10-12 chassis dynos, of varying types, because they have to defend against owner's reporting different dyno results when they get their vehicle back to their home state after installing one of the tuner's packages. It happens all the time, as unfortunately, not all chassis dynos are created alike.
The bottom line is, you have to make do with whatever is available, so while you may not get absolutely the best results in a back-to-back situation, there should still be good enough data to work with. Just make sure that you're not having any driveability problems before going on the dyno, so just check that by doing some WOT driving with the custom program in place. Then you'll be ready to do the back-to-back dyno pulls, and let the numbers fall where they may!
Please do let us know what happens,
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
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From: New Orleans
MIKE , is there a recommended relearn period on the superchip, when i got my chrysler perf computer, they recommended a 500 mile relearn period. it would kind of relearn your driving habits, if you never went to WOT, it would ping if you did, until you did it enough times for it to correct itself. then if you put the stock computer back in, it was another 500mile relearn. don't know how you could get an accurate dynojet test in the same day, with and without a chip.
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From: Virginia
Dear MRBBQMAN,
Yep, it's a factor. How *much* of a factor is what counts. Ford, just like Mopar, says it can take hundreds of miles to complete this, though the obvious stuff clears up quickly.
Your point about pinging on WOT at first, then that going away with relearn is very accurate, we've seen that happen many times!
So for back-to-back dyno comparisons, the best way to get as accurate data as can be had under those circumstances, is to use a dyno facility that is capable of giving true corrected readings, and go out and do a few full-throttle bursts, then go right back to the dyno.
Superchips has to do the very same thing developing their own products, so for that reason, their dyno facility in Florida, and their facilities in Europe, are configured to be as accurate as is possible, specifically for back-to-back dyno pulls. The dyno is in a controlled environment, is capable of giving true corrected readings, etc., etc.
You do all you can do, basically, like anything else. When you're doing dyno runs, it's all WOT operation, so while relearn and adaptive strategy is a bit of a factor, you can take steps to minimize it as best you can.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-30-1999).]
Yep, it's a factor. How *much* of a factor is what counts. Ford, just like Mopar, says it can take hundreds of miles to complete this, though the obvious stuff clears up quickly.
Your point about pinging on WOT at first, then that going away with relearn is very accurate, we've seen that happen many times!
So for back-to-back dyno comparisons, the best way to get as accurate data as can be had under those circumstances, is to use a dyno facility that is capable of giving true corrected readings, and go out and do a few full-throttle bursts, then go right back to the dyno.
Superchips has to do the very same thing developing their own products, so for that reason, their dyno facility in Florida, and their facilities in Europe, are configured to be as accurate as is possible, specifically for back-to-back dyno pulls. The dyno is in a controlled environment, is capable of giving true corrected readings, etc., etc.
You do all you can do, basically, like anything else. When you're doing dyno runs, it's all WOT operation, so while relearn and adaptive strategy is a bit of a factor, you can take steps to minimize it as best you can.
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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 06-30-1999).]