Anybody know anything about reprogramers?
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Anybody know anything about reprogramers?
I have a 99 ford XLT ex. cab with the 5.4. Anybody know if reprograming it will be worth the money? I am looking for a little more spunk out of it, and Hypertech's products are a little over $400. Or would a superchip be the way to go? Any input would be helpful.
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Go with the SuperChip Micro Tuner, you won't be sorry.
I love mine. Now I have not used the HyperTech one, to compare with, but the SuperChip has a program per PCM code version. Don't know if HyperTech ever pickup on this process or not.
Call Mike Troyer ( supporting vendor ) about it.
Good luck with your choice.
I love mine. Now I have not used the HyperTech one, to compare with, but the SuperChip has a program per PCM code version. Don't know if HyperTech ever pickup on this process or not.
Call Mike Troyer ( supporting vendor ) about it.
Good luck with your choice.
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Hi chevhater,
A *proper* optimization of the powertrain program is generally the single best bang-for-the-buck performance enhancement you can do on most computer-controlled vehicles, and that certainly holds true for these Ford trucks & SUV's. So yes, getting a good performance program is indeed very much worthwhile.
You'll get a significantly better result with the Superchips Micro Tuner as opposed to the Hypertech Power Programmer.
The Superchips tuning is individual vehicle-specific - you get a performance program made for *your* individual vehicle, to match it's exact PCM software revision. With Hypertech, you get 1 performance program that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles. This means you get larger power gains with Superchips, and you get much more consistent power gains from one vehicle to the next with the Superchips tuning than what you get with the Hypertech tuning.
Additionally, with Hypertech there is no power gain until you are at about 82% throttle or greater, as they aren't changing engine tuning until you are at extremely heavy to wide-open throttle - what we refer to as "open loop " operation, where there are no emission's standards that have to be met - this is a much cheaper & easier way to tune, but it obviously yields a pretty big compromise in the results, as you get no power gains until your foot is basically to the floor. The rest of the time, you get no power gain. With Superchips, you get power gains *all* the time, at any throttle position and at any rpm.
The bottom line is, Superchips has significantly more R&D into their performance program for this platform than anyone else does, including Hypertech, and we here at Troyer Performance/Performance Products Inc. have had a lot of input on those programs over the years as we are Superchips oldest distributor, and we specialize in these F-trucks.
You can read up in detail on all the features of the Superchips Micro Tuner over on our web site at www.TroyerPerformance.com - also, please feel free to give us ac all if you'd like to go over any of this, or anything else performance-related about your vehicle, our contact info is listed below.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
A *proper* optimization of the powertrain program is generally the single best bang-for-the-buck performance enhancement you can do on most computer-controlled vehicles, and that certainly holds true for these Ford trucks & SUV's. So yes, getting a good performance program is indeed very much worthwhile.
You'll get a significantly better result with the Superchips Micro Tuner as opposed to the Hypertech Power Programmer.
The Superchips tuning is individual vehicle-specific - you get a performance program made for *your* individual vehicle, to match it's exact PCM software revision. With Hypertech, you get 1 performance program that is compromised to run on all similar vehicles. This means you get larger power gains with Superchips, and you get much more consistent power gains from one vehicle to the next with the Superchips tuning than what you get with the Hypertech tuning.
Additionally, with Hypertech there is no power gain until you are at about 82% throttle or greater, as they aren't changing engine tuning until you are at extremely heavy to wide-open throttle - what we refer to as "open loop " operation, where there are no emission's standards that have to be met - this is a much cheaper & easier way to tune, but it obviously yields a pretty big compromise in the results, as you get no power gains until your foot is basically to the floor. The rest of the time, you get no power gain. With Superchips, you get power gains *all* the time, at any throttle position and at any rpm.
The bottom line is, Superchips has significantly more R&D into their performance program for this platform than anyone else does, including Hypertech, and we here at Troyer Performance/Performance Products Inc. have had a lot of input on those programs over the years as we are Superchips oldest distributor, and we specialize in these F-trucks.
You can read up in detail on all the features of the Superchips Micro Tuner over on our web site at www.TroyerPerformance.com - also, please feel free to give us ac all if you'd like to go over any of this, or anything else performance-related about your vehicle, our contact info is listed below.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
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other ?'s about superchips
I read up on the superchip micro tuner, and it said that it optimizes when its used with premium gasoline. I'm a college student and can't afford to put premium in it all the time. Can it still be used with regular unleaded and get good results. Also, if i ever wanted to go back to the factory program, how would i go about doing that after i had already changed it with the tuner? thanks again
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Hi chevhater,
No problem there, the Micro Tuner stores your stock factory program so you can return to stock at any time, and go back to the Superchips tuning at any time.
The *current* 1715 Micro Tuner you must use premium gas with, however, within the next week to 10 days the new 1715 should be out, and that one has *3* performance programs - one for 87 octane (power gain will be small on 87 octane, of course), then a program for premium gas that is towing compatible, and finally, our "max" performance program for premium gas that is not towing compatible. This is the unit you'll want to use, you can place your order with us anytime, we already have many advance orders for this new 1715 as many people want it's increased flexibility.
Remember that you're not going to get anywhere near the power gain from performance tuning for 87 octane that you with performance tuning for premium gas. On 87 octane, you'll pick up about 5-8 more HP, but you;ll still have all the other benefits as well, the various retards & delays optimized, etc., so while the raw power gain won't be large, the vehicle will still be more responsive & accelerate a bit quicker, top speed limiter removed, etc.
Also, when running the Superchips tuning on premium gas, your mpg will generally go up enough to offset a good bit of the 20 cent per gallon cost delta between 87 & premium - as long as you can keep your foot out of the firewall.
For most people, they average spending about $50-$100 a year more for gas using premium with the Superchips tuning, just to give you a rough idea, that driving 15K-20K miles per year. There's tons of info on the fuel cost analysis using the Superchips tuning in many posts here, use the search feature & you can retrieve tons of that kid of info.
No problem there, the Micro Tuner stores your stock factory program so you can return to stock at any time, and go back to the Superchips tuning at any time.
The *current* 1715 Micro Tuner you must use premium gas with, however, within the next week to 10 days the new 1715 should be out, and that one has *3* performance programs - one for 87 octane (power gain will be small on 87 octane, of course), then a program for premium gas that is towing compatible, and finally, our "max" performance program for premium gas that is not towing compatible. This is the unit you'll want to use, you can place your order with us anytime, we already have many advance orders for this new 1715 as many people want it's increased flexibility.
Remember that you're not going to get anywhere near the power gain from performance tuning for 87 octane that you with performance tuning for premium gas. On 87 octane, you'll pick up about 5-8 more HP, but you;ll still have all the other benefits as well, the various retards & delays optimized, etc., so while the raw power gain won't be large, the vehicle will still be more responsive & accelerate a bit quicker, top speed limiter removed, etc.
Also, when running the Superchips tuning on premium gas, your mpg will generally go up enough to offset a good bit of the 20 cent per gallon cost delta between 87 & premium - as long as you can keep your foot out of the firewall.
For most people, they average spending about $50-$100 a year more for gas using premium with the Superchips tuning, just to give you a rough idea, that driving 15K-20K miles per year. There's tons of info on the fuel cost analysis using the Superchips tuning in many posts here, use the search feature & you can retrieve tons of that kid of info.
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Well everything sounds good except the 5-8 hp with the regular unleaded, I guess I was expecting more. What will I get out of premium as far as hp goes? And if i wanted to run it on regular for a few months or so...then switch it over to premium, i could do that with the touch of a button? I think i'm out of ?'s and am cleaning out my pants after I saw the price of them . Thanks for your answers.
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You can always drop by our web site and read up on this information, the site is at www.TroyerPerformance.com
You'll want to click on "Shop" once the home page loads, and then go into the Superchips section, using the "List by Vehicle Type" link so you only have to wade thru the Ford applications. Read up on Part# 1715, that will give you all the details.
Briefly.......
Tuning for premium gas yields about a 8%-10% raw HP gain, and about 13% more peak torque. Tuning for low-grade 87 octane gas never yields significant power gains in these vehicles, they're already tuned for 87 octane from the factory, so there isn't anything significant to be had on 87 octane tuning in terms of actual hp gain, about 5-8 HP at the wheels. However, you'll still have all the various delays & retards optimized, so the vehicle will feel quicker & be more responsive, and it will accelerate a bit quicker than stock - it's just you don't get the maximum raw horsepower gain like you do on good quality premium gas.
In general, don't expect significant performance gains "on the cheap," so to speak. You can get great bang for the buck performance gains, but performance in general *always* costs.
The basic answer to your question is yes, you can change back and forth between the 3 different programs in the new 1715 unit coming out soon, it just takes about 5-8 minutes each time you want to change programs as you have to flash the PCM via the Micro Tuner connected to the OBD-II port. You can change back and forth as many times as you like, there's no limit on that, either.
Have a great Labor Day weekend,
You'll want to click on "Shop" once the home page loads, and then go into the Superchips section, using the "List by Vehicle Type" link so you only have to wade thru the Ford applications.
Read up on Part# 1715, that will give you all the details.Briefly.......
Tuning for premium gas yields about a 8%-10% raw HP gain, and about 13% more peak torque. Tuning for low-grade 87 octane gas never yields significant power gains in these vehicles, they're already tuned for 87 octane from the factory, so there isn't anything significant to be had on 87 octane tuning in terms of actual hp gain, about 5-8 HP at the wheels. However, you'll still have all the various delays & retards optimized, so the vehicle will feel quicker & be more responsive, and it will accelerate a bit quicker than stock - it's just you don't get the maximum raw horsepower gain like you do on good quality premium gas.
In general, don't expect significant performance gains "on the cheap," so to speak. You can get great bang for the buck performance gains, but performance in general *always* costs.
The basic answer to your question is yes, you can change back and forth between the 3 different programs in the new 1715 unit coming out soon, it just takes about 5-8 minutes each time you want to change programs as you have to flash the PCM via the Micro Tuner connected to the OBD-II port. You can change back and forth as many times as you like, there's no limit on that, either.
Have a great Labor Day weekend,
Last edited by Superchips_Distributor; Aug 29, 2003 at 03:51 PM.