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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Next Step Up From #80

Just did the truck with #80 and it really looks great. There are still some places that need attention, some water spots that wouldn't go away and some places on the bed cover. I think I need to move up a notch in cutting.

What are the next two steps up in aggressiveness from 80? 105 & 205?

Also are you guy's using HD on the interior plastic? Smells kind of stong even diluted.

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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:05 PM
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Try #80 again. Some said they had to do 2 passes of #80 to get the job done. #83 had more cut so that may be another route. #80 and #205 have the same cut. #105 maybe to aggressive but maybe what you need. I use HD on the interior all the time.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 05supercrew
Try #80 again. Some said they had to do 2 passes of #80 to get the job done. #83 had more cut so that may be another route. #80 and #205 have the same cut. #105 maybe to aggressive but maybe what you need. I use HD on the interior all the time.
Remember that #80 is somewhat of a "cheater" product because it's a glaze too. It does some correction, but it also does some (temporary) filling. This means that it does remove some defects, but also hides some others. Don't get me wrong, I love the stuff, but what you've achieved in some cases is not really as great as you might think.

Now, if you really want to remove defects, then the 105 / 205 combination is the way to go. Follow them up with #80 and an LSP and you're really on to something!
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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#80 always removed my swirls. And I will agree 105/205 but follow it with #80 why not go with a polish in its place then a lsp.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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I would have went the 105/205 route as mention above but since you tried #80 already I would test spot 205 behind it to see what it does. If 205 works behind your 80 than I say continue, if not than maybe try 105 or Swirl X.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:36 PM
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#83 is the next step up from #80
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 06:33 AM
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#80 always removed my swirls. And I will agree 105/205 but follow it with #80 why not go with a polish in its place then a lsp.

I used to think the same thing about #80, but what I found out later is that a simple alcohol wipe will remove the glaze and show that your swirls were only partially removed - and partially hidden. In many, many cases, that might be OK, but if you really want to remove them, #80 is not the product. (It sure does give one a warm, fuzzy feeling though!) I've used the M105 / M205 combination, followed by SSR 1, then an LSP when I'm really trying to remove / correct everything.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 08:01 AM
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You could try #205, then #105, if needed.

However, #105 is such a PITA to use and remove, that you might be better off trying Ultimate Compound with an orange pad first.

#105 definitely has a learning curve and it flashes very quickly unless you prime the pad (w/#105) first and then mist with H2O when it flashes. You can extend it's use for a few more passes with the water. #105 works great, but you'll hate using it.

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 2stroked
I used to think the same thing about #80, but what I found out later is that a simple alcohol wipe will remove the glaze and show that your swirls were only partially removed - and partially hidden. In many, many cases, that might be OK, but if you really want to remove them, #80 is not the product. (It sure does give one a warm, fuzzy feeling though!) I've used the M105 / M205 combination, followed by SSR 1, then an LSP when I'm really trying to remove / correct everything.
Alright so how is #205 at removing light swirls. I have it but just havent used it yet.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 05supercrew
Alright so how is #205 at removing light swirls. I have it but just havent used it yet.
#205 is just AWESOME! Easy to apply; easy to remove. Work it til it almost disappears. Use a green or white LC pad @ #5 on a PC.

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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jaymz
#205 is just AWESOME! Easy to apply; easy to remove. Work it til it almost disappears. Use a green or white LC pad @ #5 on a PC.

Jim
Sweet, Its killing me just to see it on my shelf. Unfortunitly I wont be able to use it for another 2-3 weeks and thats if the weather holds out.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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Most Aggressive to Least Aggressive

Here is the order in which the 2009 Megs products stack up according to there aggressiveness.

M105
Ultimate Compound
Scratch X 2.0
Swirl X
#83
M205
Scratch X
#80

I'm also a member on the Megs forum and this is straight from the horses mouth Mr. Mike Phillips himself.

Always start with the least aggressive product which in this case for me I would try M205 way before I try M105 b/c I feel that me paint doesnt need that much correction.

I hope this helps

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That would be from most to least aggressive,

M105 Ultra Cut Compound
Ultimate Compound
ScratchX 2.0
SwirlX
M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish
M205 Ultra Finishing Polish - M80 Speed Glaze (Different types of abrasives but close in cut ability)
ScratchX (Current Version being discontinued)
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 05supercrew
Alright so how is #205 at removing light swirls. I have it but just havent used it yet.
From my own limited experience, the M205 is some pretty slick stuff. I haven't tried the alcohol wipe test to see if it hides anything, but it's super easy to use and pretty much yields LSP ready results.
 
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Old Apr 22, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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The only problem I have with 105 is the dust it makes. Other than that, it's awesome.

205, on the other hand, I didn't really like. Maybe I needed more passes or something (only tried one), but it didn't really do much (at least to the Audi I used it on.) Still haven't tried it on my car yet (Ford's clear is softer, right?)...waiting on getting a garage before I do another full detail.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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I finally tried #205 this week and at the beginning I didnt like it at all but decided to do the whole truck. By the time I finished the truck I loved this product. I clayed the whole truck then #205, Poorbors polish with sealant, then finished it of with Wolfgang sealant3.0. #205 wasnt cutting it on the hood so I ended up using #4 which did a very nice job.
 
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