The complete car care thread
Oh yea.......... one more thing! Just to show how little I believe in the "one product line" theory, here's one of my favorite processes on a dark colored vehicle............
Wash with Sonax Gloss Shampoo.
Clean paint with Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint cleaner, or Poorboy's Pro Polish.
Clay with Mother's clay bar, or just about any other bar (if needed)
Remove major imperfections with Poorboys SSR2.5
Final Polish with Menzerna Final Polish II.
Glaze with Meguiar's #81 Pro Hand Polish
Wax with Pinnacle's Souveran
QD with Meguiar's Final Detail or Last Touch.
Maintenance cleaning with Poorboy's Spray & Wipe.

Wash with Sonax Gloss Shampoo.
Clean paint with Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint cleaner, or Poorboy's Pro Polish.
Clay with Mother's clay bar, or just about any other bar (if needed)
Remove major imperfections with Poorboys SSR2.5
Final Polish with Menzerna Final Polish II.
Glaze with Meguiar's #81 Pro Hand Polish
Wax with Pinnacle's Souveran
QD with Meguiar's Final Detail or Last Touch.
Maintenance cleaning with Poorboy's Spray & Wipe.

Also...
I like things as good as I can get them with the least amount of work. Im obsessive about my Black truck but...
Two of my most significant products I have discovered here and at The Detailer Café are:
1. (ONR) Optimum No Rinse Wash
2. (OCW) Optimum Car Wax
Do a search and read up on them. The no rinse wash will change how you wash your truck and the OCW is the easiest long lasting wax I have ever used.
Two of my most significant products I have discovered here and at The Detailer Café are:
1. (ONR) Optimum No Rinse Wash
2. (OCW) Optimum Car Wax
Do a search and read up on them. The no rinse wash will change how you wash your truck and the OCW is the easiest long lasting wax I have ever used.
I like things as good as I can get them with the least amount of work. Im obsessive about my Black truck but...
Two of my most significant products I have discovered here and at The Detailer Café are:
1. (ONR) Optimum No Rinse Wash
2. (OCW) Optimum Car Wax
Do a search and read up on them. The no rinse wash will change how you wash your truck and the OCW is the easiest long lasting wax I have ever used.
Two of my most significant products I have discovered here and at The Detailer Café are:
1. (ONR) Optimum No Rinse Wash
2. (OCW) Optimum Car Wax
Do a search and read up on them. The no rinse wash will change how you wash your truck and the OCW is the easiest long lasting wax I have ever used.

Has anyone used the Optimum Instant Detailer And Gloss Enhancer? Does it add more shine and is it more dust repellent when used in addition to the Optimum Car Wax, or is it about the same?
Clay Bar
Ford/GM/Chrysler/MB/Porsche all have service directives that specifically refer to paint correction/contamination procedures and clay bar is not a referred procedure and specifically identified as a method which only removes the surface level paint contaminants and as such, the "root' of the contaminant remains continues to destroy the paint from underneath the surface layer of the paint.
Just remember, Mequire's clay bar is rated at 3500 grit. There much better clay bar products out there rated at much finer grits (typically 5000+)- so if you are comfortable and believe your paint needs to be wet-sanded, and that is the only and safest way to correct the flaw/issue, then do so but remember, for 90% for all paint contamination issues there are products designed to relieve/remove/neutralize the contaminants without reducing the mil thickness of the clear coat
These procedures date back to 1990 and are still published in current oem paint maintenance publications/service manuals. I have oem docs dating back to 1997 and can provide online source verification up to 2009 (although there is an access fee by the subscritpion service for this access which I have no financial interest in)
Ford/GM/Chrysler/MB/Porsche all have service directives that specifically refer to paint correction/contamination procedures and clay bar is not a referred procedure and specifically identified as a method which only removes the surface level paint contaminants and as such, the "root' of the contaminant remains continues to destroy the paint from underneath the surface layer of the paint.
Just remember, Mequire's clay bar is rated at 3500 grit. There much better clay bar products out there rated at much finer grits (typically 5000+)- so if you are comfortable and believe your paint needs to be wet-sanded, and that is the only and safest way to correct the flaw/issue, then do so but remember, for 90% for all paint contamination issues there are products designed to relieve/remove/neutralize the contaminants without reducing the mil thickness of the clear coat
These procedures date back to 1990 and are still published in current oem paint maintenance publications/service manuals. I have oem docs dating back to 1997 and can provide online source verification up to 2009 (although there is an access fee by the subscritpion service for this access which I have no financial interest in)
NXT topped with OCW along with an occasional quality carnuba (DoDo Juice) is all I have ever needed for the durable, slick, wet and deep look.
Old Dogg, it's one product, commonly referred to as Optimum IDGE. It's basically their quick detailer. It's a nice product but to be honest I find myself using quick detailers in general less and less. Usually only as a final wipedown or for touch ups.
By the way, what's up with digging up a 5 year old thread?
By the way, what's up with digging up a 5 year old thread?
Old Dogg, it's one product, commonly referred to as Optimum IDGE. It's basically their quick detailer. It's a nice product but to be honest I find myself using quick detailers in general less and less. Usually only as a final wipedown or for touch ups.
By the way, what's up with digging up a 5 year old thread?
By the way, what's up with digging up a 5 year old thread?
Good grief, I never looked at the dates. I saw it up top and read it as if it was new and answered.

What's up with that chiaronate?

He can hate away.
I actually really like Red Mist. It applies almost exactly like Opti Seal. It's almost like a cross between a sealant (like Opti Seal) and a quick detailer. It gives a good look and adds some protection. It's a little pricey though as are all Dodo products. I like the ones I've used so far though. I can't say enough good things about Supernatural. I last applied it back in August I think and my truck still beads. Or it did before I took it to the touchless today. But shhhhhh...
Last edited by esf; Mar 1, 2010 at 06:28 PM.
I just didn't want someone to yell at me for not doing a search first..guess I can't win either way. I just ordered that OCW and IDGE last night from Amazon. I like the idea of a spray wax(OCW)that has long-term durability and also being easy to apply. In addition to that, it's supposed to not screw up the plastics because it doesn't have abrasives. I also like the IDGE because I can use it between OCW applications for light cleaning after rain or a little dust, which is what I was using the Dupont Teflon wax for..but the IDGE says in the directions that you can use it as a light wash, and also says it can be used on plastics and glass, so it's a big plus to not have to put separate slime on plastic trim. Can't wait for the weather to get nice and give it a test-try.
Last edited by chiaronate; Mar 1, 2010 at 06:54 PM.
I don't really care that you dug it up. I was just wondering. You're right though. You can't win. Haha. Actually I've always been annoyed by the people who say "use the search". That's another subject though.
IDGE will do what you want it to do but I would caution against doing it often as you can and will induce micromarring over time that will begin to create the swirling you see on people's vehicles in direct sun. Light marring is inevitable regarless of how great your techniques are but just know that quick detailing over light dust and dirt only increases those chances. I personally use OCW after every wash. I use it as I dry as a lubricant to prevent marring and provide a touch of protection as well. Old Dogg recommended ONR. ONR can be your best friend for quick and safe washes. I would personally rather do an ONR wash instead of a quick detailer. Some people use only ONR, it's that good. I just enjoy the traditional two bucket method myself. There is actually a newly reformulated/upgraded ONR that is due out any day now as well as a waterless wash from Optimum. Waterless washes are basically quick detailers on steriods. They're crosses between ONR like products and quick detailers.
Regardless, OCW, IDGE and ONR are all great products.
If you decide you want to try ONR out, Justin at Obsessive Detail is clearing out his old stock with crazy prices. By old stock I just mean the original formula to make way for the new formula. Last I hear he still has some 32oz bottles left and they go a long way. http://stores.theragshack.com/-strse...(32/Detail.bok His service is awesome. I get my orders from him in 3 days usually. Actually Optimum makes my favorite wash shampoo as well. Works like a dream in the foam gun and smells great.
IDGE will do what you want it to do but I would caution against doing it often as you can and will induce micromarring over time that will begin to create the swirling you see on people's vehicles in direct sun. Light marring is inevitable regarless of how great your techniques are but just know that quick detailing over light dust and dirt only increases those chances. I personally use OCW after every wash. I use it as I dry as a lubricant to prevent marring and provide a touch of protection as well. Old Dogg recommended ONR. ONR can be your best friend for quick and safe washes. I would personally rather do an ONR wash instead of a quick detailer. Some people use only ONR, it's that good. I just enjoy the traditional two bucket method myself. There is actually a newly reformulated/upgraded ONR that is due out any day now as well as a waterless wash from Optimum. Waterless washes are basically quick detailers on steriods. They're crosses between ONR like products and quick detailers.
Regardless, OCW, IDGE and ONR are all great products.
If you decide you want to try ONR out, Justin at Obsessive Detail is clearing out his old stock with crazy prices. By old stock I just mean the original formula to make way for the new formula. Last I hear he still has some 32oz bottles left and they go a long way. http://stores.theragshack.com/-strse...(32/Detail.bok His service is awesome. I get my orders from him in 3 days usually. Actually Optimum makes my favorite wash shampoo as well. Works like a dream in the foam gun and smells great.
Last edited by esf; Mar 1, 2010 at 07:55 PM.
My rules of thumbs are:
I never QD dust.
If less than 4 days and no rain...ONR.
Rain or more than 4 days Wash.
OCW once a month
UQD as a drying lube.
Finally broke down and ordered a Gilmore foam gun to replace my homemade foamer.
Lol I guess I'm more lazy than Old Dogg, I like to use quick-detail as a light wash. My truck has it's share of scratches, so I'm not too concerned with the detailing-over-dust effect..it keeps it looking great with minimal work.
12 months after polish Before

After polish, no wax









