Is anyone aware that Herculiner is nothing more than POR15 with ground up tires mixed in? Almost 1/4 to 1/3 of a gallon of Herculiner is 15 cent per pound crumb rubber. Depending on where you live and where a vehicle is parked in relation to mid day sun, Herculiner turns flat black to gray in 3 to 8 months.

While Herculiner is a great success story of marketing and being in the right place at the right time, the product is of substandard quality for use on anything but a dirty old work vehicle or farm truck used to haul manure.

No offense to anyone in love with Herculiner, this is my educated opinion.

Herculiner is also the same product as Durabak, made by the same manufacturer in South Africa.

Buy American,
Monstaliner - Proudly Made in the U.S.A.
http://www.monstaliner.com

Regards to all,
MagnetMan

 

This thread turned into one huge political style commercial.

 

Herculiner is certainly not the same as POR-15. POR-15 is a rust conversion product, Herculiner is not. However, Herculiner, Durabak, and Duplicolor are similar.

The company that owns Herculiner, Old World Industries, Inc. located in Illinois, makes Febreze, Peak Anti-freeze (and other glycol products), Splitfire spark plugs, etc.

 

...and I wouldn't expect you to say anything different...lol..but just in case you forgot to read the thread title let me type it here:

Al's Liner vs Herculiner?

Also using the UV additive in Herculine helps protect the fading but I'm a regular consumer and my opinion matters more than anything you could possible type.

 

Herculiner and POR15 are of the same chemisty. They are both MDI based polyisocyanates. POR15 is sold as a paint over rust coating. It does nothing to convert anything other than dollars from your pocket to theirs. If you strain the rubber out of Herculiner, product seems remarkably like POR.

Additionally: Old world industries owns the Herculiner brand name only. The product is made for them by Duram Paint in South Africa. It is the same exact product as Durabak. see here, packaging and labeling all similar.
http://www.protectakote.co.za/prodinfo.asp
http://www.duram.co.za/Products/prod...asp?prod_ID=31

Getting back to Al's Liner vs Herculiner, they are not similar in any way. I'm not familiar yet, with the Al's product other than what is said on the web site. If it is like or the same as the Scorpion product, it will stand far above Herculiner in quality and longevity.

 

Of course I am here to promote a product. But it is a great product and I do have a wealth of knowledge in this field. I should have stayed on subject.

Is it not a clear dressing or top coat that goes over Herculiner, not an additive?

 

What can you tell me about Chassis saver paint? I would like to use it on my truck. I have tried POR 15 and it did not convert the rust. It only encapsulates it. It appears Chassis Saver does not convert either but has a higher solids content than POR 15.

By the way I have never seen cracked Line-X that was correctly applied. I have also never seen a Rhino job up here in New England that did not look like cottage cheese. My biggest problem with Rhino is that it is soft enough to dig pieces out with your fingernail.
Not gonna last very long. My Line-X is a little faded and has only one small spot of damage after 7 years of truck use that you would not even notice. I know where it is because I caused it.

 

This is correct
Chassis Saver is similar to POR15 and it does no rust conversion other than encapsulation or "isolation" as we say from moisture and oxygen.

Chassis Saver is also a money saver over POR15 at appx $50 less per gallon.

Chassis Saver link
http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp
Monstaliner
www.monstaliner.com

 

So for frame rails that are slightly rusted is the satin black enough or should I use some kind of surface prep or primer first? I just want to protect the truck from New England winters and salt.

 

Honestly, I would use the gloss black over the satin for your purpose. Just wire brushh loose or powdery rust and brush 2 or 3 thin coats. If you have smooth metal, scuff with 60 or 80 grit first. You don't need any other prep or primers.

Chassis Saver link
http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

 

POR-15 does not "convert" rust. I stand corrected, thanks.

However, POR-15 claims to be able to bond to rust. I don't think Herculiner will though.

I've never seen "cracked" LINE-X either.

 

The "bonding" to rust is not a chemical thing but mechanical. Rust has a porous surface and any time you paint or coat a porous surface you get penetration wjich will give mechanical bonding. Think about it. POR15, Chassis Saver , etc.. all peel off smooth metal. No mechanical bond. Herculiner would likely bond to rust the same. Problems would arrise when rubber pieces get rubbed free and film breakage occurs.

TruckGasm: You spray Line-X for a living?

 

I've seen Herculiner peeling out of a rusted Jeep floor. But, I don't know all of the conditions that were involved.

I'm involved in several unrelated businesses, LINE-X is one of them. While I'm able to express my opinions and provide information, I do not post prices or actively sell products to forum members.

 

"You need to pay if you want to play"

 

I am in no way a chemical expert or anything of the sort. But the "convert the rust" bit threw me for a loop. Is rust not the oxidation of metal and the actual metal is disolved and no longer there and there is nothing to convert back to.