Well, I went to TSC after work yesterday to buy another bed mat to put on top of the drop-in bedliner, and they only had the 8' bed mat. I will have to keep looking.

 

What I was saying in a "passive aggressive" way was that what you have with a mat on a drop in is ugly and the drop in is still chafing the paint. By reversing them, you lose the traction and still sand down the paint.

The DeeZee mats degrade under chemicals where ours don't. So while the mat is the same thickness, it will deteriorate under how many guys use their trucks. Have one under, a drop in between and another one on top and I will give you this, it is virtually impossible to damage the floor of the bed through that stack.

And guys don't care what their beds look like? 10% could care less. The other 90% actually do care and they want the paint to stay and protect their truck.
Over half the trucks on the road don't do much more work that carry the camping gear to the state park.

Some guys don't care about their bed - anything will work for them. Some people (include some of my friends) love their drop ins.

As I said before, rigging something and doing it right are two different things. Otherwise, the guys paying $400+ for their spray ins should just go get a couple cans of Duplicolor spray liner.

Creed123 - maybe you should have stopped in and visited. You must have been a walk by viewing.

 

That's cool. I am one of those guys who really doesn't care what the bed of his truck looks like. With the sides of today's beds being so high. 90% of the people who walk by it will not be able to see inside anyway. A lift makes this even more true.

As for the bed mat under the bedliner "chaffing" the paint in the bed, I doubt it. That thing is completely stuck and does not move around. Rubber has a tendancy to stay put where plastic will slide around and scratch the paint.

I went ahead and got a second Dee Zee bed mat and put it on top of the bedliner. It truly is a "stack". They raised the price to $53.99, so all together, I have spent $214 for something that will protect my bed, didn't cost that much, and looks decent (as far as I am concerned). I will take some pictures this weekend and post them up. Sorry for the threadjack...I am done now.

 

You probably didn't mean that literally, but just in case you did: The Duplicolor spray liner is not the same product as the the professional bedliner products. The chemistry is different as well as the technical specifications of the physical properties. It's my opinion that the DIY bedliner products are the "bottom of the barrel" as far as bedliners go.

LINE-X offers 25 or so coating products ranging from flame resistant, chemical resistant, hard, soft, castable, anti-spalling, blast mitigation, etc. The LINE-X bedliner product has excellent technical specs, is pleasing to the eye, and provides outstanding truck bed protection.

 

Truckgasm,
You hit it, I was just comparing Line-X and Duplicolor as DualLiner and a drop in with a mat compare.

Freeky, I was saying that the mat doesn't protect your wheelwells, it will definitely protect the floor from any scuff. If I "look" at your stack, it is 3/8 mat + 3/4 drop in + 3/8 mat. An inch and a half is an awful thick bedliner!

 

For me, scuffing the paint under the bedliner is no big deal. Who cares, you can't see it.

Wouldn't dirt and sand get up under the side covers? The gap between the mat and sides kinda bothers me.

How would the mat hold up to a shovel removing dirt, sand, or rock?

 

Yeah...it's thick and looks great. I will need to trim the top bed mat a bit though.

 

Bryndon,
The mat on the liner is so ugly I can hardly stand to look at it. What a line of BS. You must run with the show truck crowd to think 90% of the guys with trucks want the bed to look good. I'm not saying for a minute that I want the bed of my truck to be dented and rusted cause it's not. I take good care of my stuff. Now what you posted said that by reversing this and having the mat under the liner you are still sanding down the paint? How is this different than the set up you're selling? All you have is the rubber mat on the bed alone, isn't it?
I'm not trying to get in a pissin match with you, but what started this for me was you saying how a guy's set up had made you laugh all afternoon, because he had spent his money on the worst thing he could, and how guys had taken this over that should try the real thing. What I did was call you out for being a jerk. Like it, or not the dualliner is nothing special and you're charging people twice for what guys have been doing with good results for years. I don't have any rust under my liner and take it out to clean under it a couple of times/year. If I did and found rust, I might think differently about my set up. My rigged liner has lasted well for 10 years of carrying a lot more than camping gear around. We can check our beds in 10 years and see if you're still singing the same song. If you are, I can deal with it just fine. I have a strong feeling that yours will be just as "ugly" as mine. I'm sure with all the money you're making off these high tech liners the truck you have now will be long forgotten. If not, look me up and we can test our theories.
Rich

 

I agree 100%. I have a hard time believing that a bedliner that is 5 pieces could ever compare to one solid piece. Why make something more complicated than it has to be? Oh yeah, so you can charge three times as much for it!

 

Here's one of the interesting things - anything that gets behind any parts just washes through and out the drain holes. The "gap" is tight enough to stop the things that clog drain holes (pines needles, leaves, etc) so water drains out as the bed was design.

The key to protecting the bed is protecting the paint - the outside of the truck takes the same weather beating and as long as you protect the paint, it looks great. Once you damage the paint, then it goes down hill.

 

Personally, I like the DualLiner. I like the way it looks and I much prefer a rubber floor to a drop-in bedliner floor, because stuff doesn't slide around on it.

The key concept in comparing a single piece drop-in bedliner to a multi-piece setup like the DualLiner (in my feeble little mind, at least) is that with multiple pieces you can achieve a much better (tighter) fit to the bed. When you take one sheet of plastic, put it in a mold, and come out with a single piece drop-in bedliner, you get a lot of inconsistency...mostly in the corners...because of the way the piece is handled as the plastic cools. Any variation in temperature across the piece as it cools causes the inconsistency. I've seen some corners thin enough to poke your finger though, seriously. Some drop-in companies do this better than others, in my opinion. When you get inconsistencies in those corners, it affects the overall tightness/fit, because the whole thing is one big piece. The worse the fit, the more the movement/vibration under use, the easier it is for debris (not water) to get under it, and you can get more chaffing or scratching...which can lead to your rust or cosmetic issues once the paint is compromised. In my personal opinion, that doesn't happen quite as much as companies competing with drop-ins say that it does, but it does happen some nonetheless.

The single independent pieces on a DualLiner don't have as many inconsistencies, don't have those weak corner pans, and fit really tight. That's cool. Combine that tight fit (which looks good), with the rubber floor that I like, and the ability to ship them easier (real good for online businesses), and I think the DualLiner is a good product. It's a little pricey, in my personal opinion, but I realize that making this stuff is not cheap in America...I really doubt that Bryndon is making so much money hand over fist that he'll be driving a Lambo and wiping his *** with $100's anytime soon.

There will always be people that don't give a crap about what their bed looks like. Nothing wrong with that. (I'm glad there are, because I sell drop-in bedliners to used car dealers who take those trucks in on trade and need to cover up all the scratches to make them a little more appealing to customers.) Rock on. If you don't care what your bed looks like, just throw a rubber bed mat in there to keep stuff from rolling around, and get-r-done. It's all good.

There's a place for DualLiners, BedRugs, spray-ons, drop-ins, rubber mats, and nothing at all...if there wasn't, they wouldn't be in business. Everybody's trying to serve a market, or create one, and sell what they feel are their benefits over the competition to turn a profit and support their employees and families. It's capitalism. Thank God for it. Thank God, also, that you have the choice as a consumer to buy whatever you want/like for whatever reasons are important to YOU.

 

I don't have a problem with multiple pieces.........but I do agree with your conclusion. You can charge a lot more for it.

Really, I like the thing okay. I just can't grasp how people rationalize paying so much for it. One could characterize it as a multi-piece drop-in without a bottom plus a rubber mat.

$120 for a drop-in and $60 for a mat equals $180 rather than $350.

 

After reviewing all of the available options, I finally settled on the Bedrug. More than anything, you have to determine how you're primarily going to be using your trucks bed. In my case, I'm in medical sales and have to cart my supplies around from place to place. The bedrug looks great and it's a soft surface that won't dent or scratch my stuff. It's also a good option for carrying personal items like golf clubs, suit cases, and anything else that you don't want getting banged up. I love Line-x and the dual liner if you're in the business of moving heavy loads around. Otherwise, I think they're overkill.

Just my .02c.

 

F150BQ,
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Someone suggested that a drop in and a mat is $180 so ours should be the same. That's like saying a Chevy Cobalt and an F150 are the same... no difference in engineering or manufacturing or anything else... therefore, you did pay $12,000 for your new F150, didn't you?

Why pay $399 for a BedRug, after all, it's "just" indoor outdoor carpeting... I can buy that for $6/yard and need what, 6 yards? $36.

Due to the installation and manufacturing needs, drop ins can never fit and look good.

If I were getting rich doing this, I wouldn't be so passionate about the product, I'd be worrying about where and how soon to retire. I went 30 years with all sorts of rigs trying to make something work. Found it. Now I am happy to share what I know.

For light duty,the BedRug is a nice product. If I were into sprays, I'd do a Line-X - I just don't like how they deteriorate in my world. I've never needed an application where things slide, but if I did it would be a high end drop in (the cheap ones have failed for me). But, for my bedliner dollar, the DualLiner is light years ahead.

 

Amen.