I have been toying with the idea of a bedrug or DualLiner. I was originally going to go with Line-X, but I think it would be overkill for the occasional light to medium hauling that I do. And the prices around here are way too high.

So I was thinking bedrug or DualLiner. But the thing that has me worried about either one is moisture and dirt getting trapped behind it and doing damage to the bed. Kinda would defeat the purpose of having anything to protect the bed. Any such problems like that with either of those two products???

Also another worry with the bedrug is will it bunch up when trying to slide heavier items into the bed??

 

I can't speak for the BedRug, but I can for the DualLiner - I'm the General Manager. Water drains through the factory bed drain holes, as they were designed and it actually filters larger pieces (they stay on top) so they can't plug the drain holes.

Look at it this way, the DualLiner protects you from dents and scratches in the paint. The paint on the outside of your truck gets wet all the time and the water drains away... and you don't worry about it. We protect the paint.

As for debris behind and underneath, again large pieces are trapped outside. Very small things (dust) can get behind, but gets flushed away by the water.

I hope this helps!

Bryndon

 

Bryndon: I have searched and read your posts. Seems like a pretty good product you guys have. What I am concerned with is water and moisture getting trapped under the mat (or rug) and staying there. Which in time could cause rust or mildew stains.

BTW what exactly are the sides and front of the DualLiner made of. And how does the tailgate piece attach??

 

The water drains out of the bed, so the water doesn't get trapped - no stains or mildew issues ever reported in my three years here. The mat "nubs" leave a small black spot, but that rubs off easily. Again, I can't speak for the BedRug - I was too rough on the one I had and it didn't last long enough to find out.

The hard parts are Polyethylene, designed to withstand many years of UV - I've seen no fade in any liner (lined up next to a brand new one) - the oldest liner in the field is almost 5 years now and looks like new.

The hard parts in the bed are held tight by the tie downs. On the tailgate, the "standard" way of mounting is 6 of the tailgate bolts and four pushpins (requires drilling 4 1/4" holes). I know of two alternate routes being used - I am testing both for future reference, but have not approved either, yet.

One is to not install the pushpins - leaves the bottom edge of the panel loose. Possible to catch the edge when pulling things out, but almost 1/2 the guys with our bedliner are doing this.

Two is to use several 3" pieces of 3M double sided foam tape to fasten the lower edge. I am currently testing this, test is a few months old. Because Polyethylene is so slippery, you had to "corona treat" the areas where the tape will go - basically "kiss" it with the flame of a propane torch. Then apply the tape. I am testing 4 pieces and so far the results look very good. From a factory standpoint, I don't want a 1 year design life - it needs to be very permanent. So the test continues.

My tailgate is almost 2 years with holes drilled in it. I used the rust preventative that we include in the kit. Even now with the pins pulled back out, there is no sign of rust.

 

The Bedrug doesn't cause any water problems either. It does have a better fit than any other liner. It matches the contours of the bedfloor exactly and will do no damage at all to the bed. I have installed 4 bedrugs so far this week and am getting ready to do another this morning. They also have the best warranty and guarantee of any liner in the industry, you can't beat a 30 day money back guarantee that is totally hassle free direct from the manufacturer. If you aren't satisfied for any reason they will give you a full refund of the purchase price. I have only had one person ever use the 30-day money back guarantee in 5 years of selling the Bedrug.

I have had no experience with the DualLiner so I can't give a first hand account of it. I talked to my warehouse that sells the dualliner and he couldn't give me any feedback on it either other than to say it wasn't a good seller for them and that they only had 9 in stock total. I would attribute the slow sales to the cost of the DualLiner compared to others and lack of promotion.

I will give an evaluation of the DualLiner speaking from 20 years experience in the aftermarket truck accessories industry. I can see it working fairly well in the Ford models that have removeable tiedowns to hold the side panels securely in place but the header panel is still free floating and made of hard plastic and will flex and move with the bed and has to rub against the paint which will only cause surface whitening of the clear coat where it contacts the truck bed, such as you see with a regular drop-in liner. The floor is just a standard bedmat. As far as the tailgate it is just your standard drop-in liner tailgate, the only way to secure these across the bottom with lasting result is to use screws or the push pins as indicated by Bryndon, there is to much movement for the double-sided tape to hold over a period of time with the rigid hard plastic pieces.
To compare it to the Bedrug it is also held in place with double side tape and industrial velcro, but with the Bedrug there is no problem with the tape coming lose as it has enough flex to move with the bed instead of against it, even on the tailgate piece which is part of the bed floor piece and gives you another feature not found in any other liner the threshold cover that prevents anything from falling between the tailgate and bed floor. To give a couple of customer testimonies I have two customers that run coal trucks and use their pickups as parts runners and they haul anything from regular maintanence parts to full axles and rear ends in their Bedrugs and have no problems with them at all, actually 2 of the Bedrugs I sold this week came from reccomendations of one of these guys and them seeing it in use in his truck and how much abuse it has withstood.

I am not trying to degrade the DualLiner in any way but as for me I will have to see it in person and evaluate it by use before I can give a better review. As for now I don't know that it would be any better than a drop-in liner with the new product Bedrug has come out with the goes underneath the drop-in to protect the paint called the bed gasket which is 1/8" polypropylene foam that gives you 100% bed protection for rust and damage prevention, these retail for $49 and would be a good option to go with under the DualLiner to prevent any damage or paint wear that would result from the hard parts in contact with the bed.

Bryndon I would be very interested in talking with you about being a dealer for the DualLiner and giving my customers another option when they come in looking for a bedliner. I can see a definite market for this liner the only thing that concerns me is the price compared to my $129 drop-ins.

 

You mind answering my question from this post please?

http://www.f150online.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=275334

Many thanks.

 

seeing as how any drop-in liner isn't bonded to the bed there will always be a chance of trapping water / moisture between the liner and the metal.. yes they are less expensive, but you get what you pay for, IMO..

and if your drop-in or rug bonds tighter than this



I'll make all the proper apologies :smile:

 

I have a bed rug and often use my truck to haul a water tank. Often when filling the tank a lot of water will splash over and soak the bed rug, when you park, the water will drain out as with no bed rug and in normal weather the bed rug will be completely dry in 24 hours. The bed under the rug is also completely dry.

 

Hey Beast, I'll drop you a line via email about setting up as a dealer. Just a couple corrections for your above comments -

We are a new company, BedRug has around 10 years more history than we have. Our volume currently has more to do with our youth than anything else.

The market for a bedliner that works is huge, most fail miserably at the two things you would buy a bedliner for -
One, protect your truck from dents and dings - BedRug doesn't offers minimal dent protection, like spray ins - you need something thick and rigid to protect you from that... this was the one place that drop ins worked. On the floor, the mat has it's own body and resiliency that also gives you the strength to fend off impact.
Two is protect the cargo - most damage to the truck occurs while the truck is in motion - we've all seen (owned?) trucks with bowed loadguards and tailgates. Our ZeroSkid mat works better than anything else, BedRug, Spray-in, drop in - nothing even comes close.

Because our sidewalls are custom fit to the sides (unlike drop ins), there is virtually no vibration therefore no chafing. No need for mats to protect behind it.

Interestingly, you mentioned the cost... BedRug is generally a few dollars more expensive and even cheap sprays are more expensive. If you compare them based on longevity and survival (long-term good looks) - the DualLiner is a huge bargain. None of the others survived 2 months around me, my DualLiner is 1 1/2 years and showing no signs of wear.

We moved our 3-year warranty up to REAL lifetime (unlike the sprays, original owner warranty) because we can - I personally handle warranty issues and spend an average of 10 minutes per month on it. Requires virtually no effort, because there is virtually no claims. Never saw a need for a 30 return policy, only ever had one person return one they had installed. He didn't like how hard to was to load the first sheet of plywood at the lumberyard... I would have recommended he buy something else out of the box, the whole point is so things don't slide.

One last note on drop ins - there market is less than 20% of what it was 10 years ago... they don't work for most people, that's why they are slowly going away... according to most people I've talked to, there are two places that drop ins get used these days, the larger market is returned lease and rental vehicles (cover the uglies) and as a deal closer ("If I throw in the bedliner, will you take it today.").

Watch for the email, we'll get together on them.

 

Sorry about the delay, my place is out in the country and I don't have internet there right now. Answered under the other post.

 

Hey Beast, drop me an email - you are set up not to recieve private messages.

Thanks!

 

Bedrug is a decent product, but oddly enough, they do not sell well here in the south (Texas). Not only do customers not ask for it, but I hardly ever see one. Occasionally, I'll see one at a car/truck show. I'm not exactly sure why they are not popular here, but I'm guessing it's that they are not macho enough for Texans and their trucks. Gray carpet in a Ford King Ranch just doesn't work here.

I've never seen a Duraliner. The company is young and if the auto industry improves, and is sure needs to, I'm sure Duraliner will find it's place in the market.

EDIT: For those in Fort Worth, Frank Kent's Pit Stop (Rhino dealer) down the street from me closed last week. Frank Kent owns GMC, Cadillac, and Hummer dealerships. The Pit Stop was their separate accessory store front. By the way, they were selling Rhino literally $100 less than I was selling LINE-X at my shop. I currently have no plans to close. As a matter of fact, March 2007 was the best month I've had since I opened a little over 3 years ago.

 

Congrats on the record month! Always good to see businesses going the right way!