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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ktogun
that's interesting, and I was thinking along those lines as well. If you look at the CAI's they all have open boxes face up under the hood. Volant makes something that looks like an isolation box that might draw more cool air.
Volant is crap. They fall on their faces above 4,000rpm - truck just lays down.

They never fixed that, and what's worse, the early revisions had issues with melting thermoplastic ...

WTF is up with that? Don't know about you, but I would question any company with such pathetic R&D that they fogot to account for and design to the expected environment in which the intake would live... good grief.

The STOCK intake is more than capable of supplying all a stock or lightly modded truck needs, and is true cold-air. A no-brainer.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Volant is crap. They fall on their faces above 4,000rpm - truck just lays down.

They never fixed that, and what's worse, the early revisions had issues with melting thermoplastic ...

WTF is up with that? Don't know about you, but I would question any company with such pathetic R&D that they fogot to account for and design to the expected environment in which the intake would live... good grief.

The STOCK intake is more than capable of supplying all a stock or lightly modded truck needs, and is true cold-air. A no-brainer.
That is very true about the Volant. They really look good but when it comes to making power they are lacking. A few years back I had a LS2 GTO and even on the dyno these Volant intakes were making less power than stock. Since the same design is used in alot of cars im sure you would have the same result. Stick with the ugly yet stock effective air box and take your old lady out to a nice dinner .
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by used2vtec
That is very true about the Volant. They really look good but when it comes to making power they are lacking. A few years back I had a LS2 GTO and even on the dyno these Volant intakes were making less power than stock. Since the same design is used in alot of cars im sure you would have the same result. Stick with the ugly yet stock effective air box and take your old lady out to a nice dinner .


 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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First off, never be concerned with dyno numbers from a aftermarket intake. Almost every kit out there uses a open filter set up and the manufacturer does the dyno runs with the hood up. This allows your intake to draw in tons of fresh air from the outside and that is where most of the gains come from. In the real world we drive around town with the hood down and it gets pretty warm under there. Your high dollar aftermarket intake is just sucking all of this hot air and chances are you are gaining little to nothing.

The factory air boxes on the 09 do indeed flow very well (they were one of the things Ford redesigned. The 09s have a much larger filter box and are sealed so they are not drawing from the hot engine bay. There is a snorkel on the bottom of the air box that you can remove to even allow more air to the engine. Removing the snorkel would also help aftermarket intakes but you still have the entire top of the filter drawing in hot air. You can spend 50 bucks on a drop in filter and remove the snorkel and have a better intake than spending 300 dollars on a bling bling one. Hope this helps, save your money!!!
for those of us that test mods in real world conditions- ie- monitoring iat temps and back pressure from cats while driving,proves your theory wrong on drawing hot underhood air while vehicle is in motion...
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by openclasspro#11
for those of us that test mods in real world conditions- ie- monitoring iat temps and back pressure from cats while driving,proves your theory wrong on drawing hot underhood air while vehicle is in motion...

To each his own!! You spend your 300 bucks and ill spend my 50 bucks. It has already been proven by PHP that just by removing the stock snorkel piece on the 09-10s you will add roughly 10 horses to your truck. That alone shows that the stock air box will FLOW if you open it up a bit. If you really thing that a aftermarket intake will add more than that you are sadly mistaken. In some applications you really need to upgrade the stock air box but not on this truck. So like I said to each his own and keep on monitoring those IATs and backpressure .
 

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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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To each his own!! You spend your 300 bucks and ill spend my 50 bucks. It has already been proven by PHP that just by removing the stock snorkel piece on the 09-10s you will add roughly 10 horses to your truck. That alone shows that the stock air box will FLOW if you open it up a bit. If you really thing that a aftermarket intake will add more than that you are sadly mistaken. In some applications you really need to upgrade the stock air box but not on this truck. So like I said to each his own and keep on monitoring those IATs and backpressure .
where are his or your dyno numbers showing that every aftermarket cai does not make power over the stock one-i'll await uour proof,nuff said.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Your warranty (for the failed component - not the entire truck) will be voided if and only if

1. Dealer can prove that the tuner or other modification caused the failure.

2. Dealer finds out about the modification. Every tuner/programmer I know about has the abilty to set the truck back to the stock tune.

Good luck with this... yes moss-magnuson exists; but dealers will screw you left and right after just seeing modifications. Yes they will know if you have a tune, taking it out-going back to stock does nothing for you. Don't believe me, search for my failed injector thread... I got no proof, stuck with a fat bill, and it was my word against theirs. This was a known issue from the factory on 04-05's..

A later follow up showed they never filed it for warranty work, never had it looked at by anyone at ford to determine the CAI/Tune caused it, They even lied on the final work order saying "i wanted the injector serviced because I felt it would fail"...When they called me though they said they could not fix it because they called ford and they said no because of the "heavy modifications made to my vehicle". I battled this for 2 weeks almost and got no where because they made sure to leave me with nothing.

I would check with the dealer on how they treat modifications; Some are good with it and will work with you, others like my former dealer will screw you royally and lie to your face. Leaving you high and dry..
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by openclasspro#11
where are his or your dyno numbers showing that every aftermarket cai does not make power over the stock one-i'll await uour proof,nuff said.

Dyno numbers mean jack as I said earlier. I dont have any IATs test or backpressure tests to confirm my data, . If your all caught up in numbers there is indeed a thread in the 09-10 section labeled Initial dyno results for the 2009. It clearly shows that there was a 7.5hp gain from just removing the snorkel with the stock filter installed. Combine that with a better flowing filter and I can guarantee it will make the same power as any intake out there (within 1-2 horses respectfully).

I mean does it really matter, were talking about a tube sucking air through a filter. If were were to line up 2 trucks and race them. One truck will have a bling bling intake and one with the snorkel removed and a free flowing filter installed, what do you think would happen? The trucks would perform nearly identical. Thats why I say save yourself some money unless you just want to pop your hood and look at a cool looking pipe.
 
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