What should I pay for a leftover 2013 FX4 with eco
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True, but for about 3K you can throw on a boss 302 intake, 90 mm throttle body, a set of comp cams and a CAI and a good tune and be around to 450-475 crank hp. Throw another 1500 at it for a set of long tubes and you could potentially see 500 crank hp.
About all that is out there for the eco is CAI's, cat-backs, and tunes.
About all that is out there for the eco is CAI's, cat-backs, and tunes.
from a tune, cat back, drop in filter and new intercooler. That same company is pushing hard to create a drop in set of turbos and fuel system upgrades. Dollar for dollar the FI motor will gain more power compared to the NA one. To make a 5.0 compete with that EB you will have to step to a supercharger which will set you back at least $5000. The Coyote is a great motor but the EB makes more power for less money until you really throw a ton of cash at it.
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If you want big power out of a tune truck, buy a diesel.
Personally I went with the 5.0. Stock for stock they drive about the same but the eb does have a little more pull once the revs start to build. My oh complaint with the 5.0 is how there is such a dead spot with the 2-3 shift. Even with a tune, it lags terrible in that part of the rev range.
I got almost 11k off sticker on my fx4 in sept of 2013
Personally I went with the 5.0. Stock for stock they drive about the same but the eb does have a little more pull once the revs start to build. My oh complaint with the 5.0 is how there is such a dead spot with the 2-3 shift. Even with a tune, it lags terrible in that part of the rev range.
I got almost 11k off sticker on my fx4 in sept of 2013
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Uh, fellers - we's diverging from the OP's original subject - and into Threadcrappin' Territory - 
Havin' said that .... ( sorry in advance, OP):
OK - You can go ahead and tell me how they measured that - they woon't when I asked them. Fer danged sure they dint pull the motor and put it on an engine dyno fer piddly little mods like that. And IF they even chassis-dyno'd it at all, they would have posted results @ the rear wheels, instead of going through the error-prone process of inferring crank numbers from RW numbers to account for all the various driveline losses - which would be plain silly.
Can you tell I suspect those numbers yet? Betcha it's just a SWAGuesstimate based upon what they think those mods ortta produce ( e.g - adding up manufacturer's claims, which is sorta BS )
IMHO - it's both very suboptimal (due to the generic nature of a canned tune) and just plain lunacy (safety concerns) to run any canned device on an EB. Not when custom is within reasonable reach cost-wise.
Lastly - you no doubt are aware ( or you should be, at any rate) of the OEM calibration's propensity to restrict enrichment / open loop operation until higher rpms ( Factory CYA to protect the drivetrain). All a canned tune would need to do is to ease that restriction and by simply having access to already-available power sooner (with little or no actual increases to peak numbers), the nut behind the wheel would readily notice the 'gains', and be none the wiser.
Havin' said that .... ( sorry in advance, OP):x2.. I cant believe what just a tuner with custom tunes did to mine.. I cant even accelerate hard in 2nd gear with out breaking the tires loose, even 3rd gear they cry. Can only imagine what a intake,throttle body upgraded intercooler and a little exhaust work would do.
and according to stage 3 motorsports on their ecoboost with a edge cts with 91 octane canned tune, afe cold air intake and 73mm throttle body with a charge pipe they are getting 435 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque at the crankshaft (im sure if they ran custom tunes and a exhaust system it would be even better) Total price for the tuner, custom tunes,intake and throttle body and the charge pipe $1400.00.
I doubt you could get anywhere close to that hp and torque with a 5.0 for 1400 bucks.
And im not starting a 5.0 and eco thread.. Just stating that you can get alot of power and torque for pretty cheap $
and according to stage 3 motorsports on their ecoboost with a edge cts with 91 octane canned tune, afe cold air intake and 73mm throttle body with a charge pipe they are getting 435 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque at the crankshaft (im sure if they ran custom tunes and a exhaust system it would be even better) Total price for the tuner, custom tunes,intake and throttle body and the charge pipe $1400.00.
I doubt you could get anywhere close to that hp and torque with a 5.0 for 1400 bucks.
And im not starting a 5.0 and eco thread.. Just stating that you can get alot of power and torque for pretty cheap $
Can you tell I suspect those numbers yet? Betcha it's just a SWAGuesstimate based upon what they think those mods ortta produce ( e.g - adding up manufacturer's claims, which is sorta BS )
IMHO - it's both very suboptimal (due to the generic nature of a canned tune) and just plain lunacy (safety concerns) to run any canned device on an EB. Not when custom is within reasonable reach cost-wise.
Lastly - you no doubt are aware ( or you should be, at any rate) of the OEM calibration's propensity to restrict enrichment / open loop operation until higher rpms ( Factory CYA to protect the drivetrain). All a canned tune would need to do is to ease that restriction and by simply having access to already-available power sooner (with little or no actual increases to peak numbers), the nut behind the wheel would readily notice the 'gains', and be none the wiser.
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So, when I bought my truck I put pressure on the dealer until they gave me the 12500 off and the difference from sticker to x plan price off on top of that. Ended up in the neighborhood of 15k off all said and done. At the time however the big rebate was only on XLT with the 5.0.
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So sounds like I should shoot for around the $15K off sticker range. Going to begin my negotiations today. If I can't get to where I want this dealer also has a very nice lower mileage platinum with the 6.2 that is my plan B. It is loaded with every option, 50K miles 2011 model at $32K, can probably get it for $29-30 range.
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Uh, fellers - we's diverging from the OP's original subject - and into Threadcrappin' Territory - Havin' said that .... ( sorry in advance, OP):
OK - You can go ahead and tell me how they measured that - they woon't when I asked them. Fer danged sure they dint pull the motor and put it on an engine dyno fer piddly little mods like that. And IF they even chassis-dyno'd it at all, they would have posted results @ the rear wheels, instead of going through the error-prone process of inferring crank numbers from RW numbers to account for all the various driveline losses - which would be plain silly.
Can you tell I suspect those numbers yet? Betcha it's just a SWAGuesstimate based upon what they think those mods ortta produce ( e.g - adding up manufacturer's claims, which is sorta BS )
IMHO - it's both very suboptimal (due to the generic nature of a canned tune) and just plain lunacy (safety concerns) to run any canned device on an EB. Not when custom is within reasonable reach cost-wise.
Lastly - you no doubt are aware ( or you should be, at any rate) of the OEM calibration's propensity to restrict enrichment / open loop operation until higher rpms ( Factory CYA to protect the drivetrain). All a canned tune would need to do is to ease that restriction and by simply having access to already-available power sooner (with little or no actual increases to peak numbers), the nut behind the wheel would readily notice the 'gains', and be none the wiser.
Havin' said that .... ( sorry in advance, OP):OK - You can go ahead and tell me how they measured that - they woon't when I asked them. Fer danged sure they dint pull the motor and put it on an engine dyno fer piddly little mods like that. And IF they even chassis-dyno'd it at all, they would have posted results @ the rear wheels, instead of going through the error-prone process of inferring crank numbers from RW numbers to account for all the various driveline losses - which would be plain silly.
Can you tell I suspect those numbers yet? Betcha it's just a SWAGuesstimate based upon what they think those mods ortta produce ( e.g - adding up manufacturer's claims, which is sorta BS )
IMHO - it's both very suboptimal (due to the generic nature of a canned tune) and just plain lunacy (safety concerns) to run any canned device on an EB. Not when custom is within reasonable reach cost-wise.
Lastly - you no doubt are aware ( or you should be, at any rate) of the OEM calibration's propensity to restrict enrichment / open loop operation until higher rpms ( Factory CYA to protect the drivetrain). All a canned tune would need to do is to ease that restriction and by simply having access to already-available power sooner (with little or no actual increases to peak numbers), the nut behind the wheel would readily notice the 'gains', and be none the wiser.
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/***...ceTuneDyno.JPG
With the throttle body and charge pipe they got 378hp 453 torque
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02cIs7Lr3E#t=149
So its safe so say they were pretty close to the estimates of the crank hp/torque
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That's better. Thanks.
Why not post that in the first place? And Why did S3 even quote a crank figure when they had RW numbers? just don;t make sense ....
BTW - WTF is an "Edge Afe Race tune" - is this truly canned / off-the shelf or something Edge did uniquely for Afe / S3 ?
Sorry - I don't trust 'em given their recent track record ...
MGD
Why not post that in the first place? And Why did S3 even quote a crank figure when they had RW numbers? just don;t make sense ....
BTW - WTF is an "Edge Afe Race tune" - is this truly canned / off-the shelf or something Edge did uniquely for Afe / S3 ?
Sorry - I don't trust 'em given their recent track record ...
MGD
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McCown, where are you? These rebates depends largely on what part of the country you're in. I wouldn't buy a used plat for the same price I could get a new XLT for. It makes very little sense to buy any used F150 right now.
I agree with MGD on all of that. Even with those Eco numbers, I wouldn't trust that motor running that much power on little mods - too temperamental. The last thing I would do to an Eco is tune it for high HP. But I wouldn't throw cams in a DD 5.0 either. Cost and reliability aside, cams trash resale value and no dealer will want to touch it, and I would know . . .
I agree with MGD on all of that. Even with those Eco numbers, I wouldn't trust that motor running that much power on little mods - too temperamental. The last thing I would do to an Eco is tune it for high HP. But I wouldn't throw cams in a DD 5.0 either. Cost and reliability aside, cams trash resale value and no dealer will want to touch it, and I would know . . .
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And why dont you trust em? Whats their recent track record? Ive heard nothing but great stuff with em, Thats why i went with em for the tuner along with other stuff down the road.. Their customer service is great and damn good prices too.
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Compete? I have a very fair idear that a supercharged 5.0 would do a bit more than "compete" with the aforementioned EB.
And how is the EB less money? Did I read that wrong? IIRC, the upcharge fer the EB when I bought my truck was around a grand. Additionally, I would have forfeited $2000 of the rebate Ford offered at the time fer 5.0 trucks.
That's $3000 (est.) more in real money it would have cost me fer the same truck in an EB. Considering I could throw that $3k along with annuder couple G's at a supercharger that would allow my lowly 5.0 to do more than "compete" with the EB (are we talking about race trucks?
) that's not a terrible deal. 
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Hiya, Wookie!
Compete? I have a very fair idear that a supercharged 5.0 would do a bit more than "compete" with the aforementioned EB.
And how is the EB less money? Did I read that wrong? IIRC, the upcharge fer the EB when I bought my truck was around a grand. Additionally, I would have forfeited $2000 of the rebate Ford offered at the time fer 5.0 trucks.
That's $3000 (est.) more in real money it would have cost me fer the same truck in an EB. Considering I could throw that $3k along with annuder couple G's at a supercharger that would allow my lowly 5.0 to do more than "compete" with the EB (are we talking about race trucks? ) that's not a terrible deal.
Compete? I have a very fair idear that a supercharged 5.0 would do a bit more than "compete" with the aforementioned EB.
And how is the EB less money? Did I read that wrong? IIRC, the upcharge fer the EB when I bought my truck was around a grand. Additionally, I would have forfeited $2000 of the rebate Ford offered at the time fer 5.0 trucks.
That's $3000 (est.) more in real money it would have cost me fer the same truck in an EB. Considering I could throw that $3k along with annuder couple G's at a supercharger that would allow my lowly 5.0 to do more than "compete" with the EB (are we talking about race trucks?
) that's not a terrible deal. Now if you want to go comparing individual deals, it only cost me $120 to go from the 5.0 to the EB. A set of Manley rods for the 5.0 cost $1,400 or more than the price difference at MSRP. The EB comes from the factory with forged rods, crank and pistons. The 5.0 not so much the rods are made from powdered metal. So your cost estimate is off by at least the cost of a new set of rods, pistons and bearings just to be on equal footing for the bottom end of the rotating assembly.
Or to put it another way. The bottom end of the EB is comparable to solid oak. The bottom end of the 5.0 is more like particle board. You tell me which one is better.
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Yup its a edge cts with the canned tune, But will be doing custom tuning on the truck soon.
And why dont you trust em? Whats their recent track record? Ive heard nothing but great stuff with em, Thats why i went with em for the tuner along with other stuff down the road.. Their customer service is great and damn good prices too.
And why dont you trust em? Whats their recent track record? Ive heard nothing but great stuff with em, Thats why i went with em for the tuner along with other stuff down the road.. Their customer service is great and damn good prices too.
Sorry fer being unclear - it's Edge I don't trust.
As fer S3 - no real issues ( I did buy from them once). I suppose it's the manner in which some info is presented. There was a 5.0 exhaust thread a while back that exemplifies this.
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Back to the original subject.
Right now you should be able to get a pretty good deal on any 2013s that are left but that is a quickly dwindling quantity. Since you mentioned having an X plan this might throw things off a little bit. The X plan is a set price based on the invoice cost of a vehicle. You will pay the same price at all dealerships and they do not have much wiggle room. You can however use any and all incentives from Ford. When I was shopping with an X plan I quickly found out the price of the truck was going to be the same no matter where I bought it except for one dealer that wasn't accepting X plans on EB trucks. However, there was a huge difference in what I could get on trade for my old truck. The dealership I ended up buying my truck from gave me $4k more than anyone else would.
In your situation I would find a good salesman or deal with the internet sales group and tell them what you want in a truck and that you want their best price with or without the X plan. Do this at a couple of places and see which one wants to sell you a truck the most.
Right now you should be able to get a pretty good deal on any 2013s that are left but that is a quickly dwindling quantity. Since you mentioned having an X plan this might throw things off a little bit. The X plan is a set price based on the invoice cost of a vehicle. You will pay the same price at all dealerships and they do not have much wiggle room. You can however use any and all incentives from Ford. When I was shopping with an X plan I quickly found out the price of the truck was going to be the same no matter where I bought it except for one dealer that wasn't accepting X plans on EB trucks. However, there was a huge difference in what I could get on trade for my old truck. The dealership I ended up buying my truck from gave me $4k more than anyone else would.
In your situation I would find a good salesman or deal with the internet sales group and tell them what you want in a truck and that you want their best price with or without the X plan. Do this at a couple of places and see which one wants to sell you a truck the most.
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Just throwing this out there...... are there any 6.2's left laying around? And if they are, how are the rebates on them compared to the 5.0 and the wee 'lil 3.7?
I'm a little old school... No replacement for displacement. I've heard the arguments, I just don't care. If the 6.2 was available in '10, I would have bought one. Same goes for IF they only would have offered 4.10 gears in '10, (Canadian models remember boys) I would have chosen that too.
OP, when looking for trucks, pay attention to the gears in the trucks you are looking at. If mods are on your list, Think bigger is better.... (that's what she said)
I'm a little old school... No replacement for displacement. I've heard the arguments, I just don't care. If the 6.2 was available in '10, I would have bought one. Same goes for IF they only would have offered 4.10 gears in '10, (Canadian models remember boys) I would have chosen that too.
OP, when looking for trucks, pay attention to the gears in the trucks you are looking at. If mods are on your list, Think bigger is better.... (that's what she said)
