When I say several dealerships, I mean Ford, Chevy, GMC, and Dodge... no where did I mention a Toyota dealership.

I agree there are alot of Ford's out there, but that doesn't mean they aren't having issues. Toyota isn't perfect by any means.

However here's the service stats as sits currently, based on talking to service department managers at these dealerships.

Ford - wait for service is 1-2 months
Chevy - wait for service is 1-2 months
GMC - wait for service is 1 month
Dodge - wait for service is 1-2 months
Toyota - wait for service is 1-2 weeks

 

That means absolutely nothing. How many techs do they have? How big is the dealership? Seriously, you think you can make some assumptions based on the wait time for service? WOW!

Just as a side note, when I call my Ford dealership, I can usually get service in 1-3 days...

 

way to completely avoid the oil field part...

 

The service time is indicative of the quality of the products,amount of problems they are encountering, as well as type of service. As I said this is an oilfield area so lots of abuse.

The Ford dealership I'm referring too is one of the top dealerships in the nation. Most of the dealerships around here are doing really well sales wise simply due to the boom in the oilfield. Other areas may not have these issues.

If a part fails on the vehicle and it needs to be fixed to be driven, the times I stated are how long you would have to wait around this area. This is definitely something any buyer should look at as you never know when something can break. And yes I can assume from those numbers that those vehicles and dealerships are having issues from the massive wait times because they are backed up with PROBLEM vehicles or vehicles waiting to get fixed. The ford dealership in question has around 15-20 master techs, same with the chevy/gmc/dodge dealerships.

This is something that the OP should consider in his respective area, not just the engine. If you had a ujoint fail, would you want to wait a month or two to get it fixed? In my particular case, I had a Ford case manager working with me and the SOONEST I could get my truck in was December 5th as of two weeks ago. That was one of the final straws that broke the back and I got rid of the f150.

Back to the OP topic, the GM 5.3, Ford 5.0, Toyota 5.7 would all be good engine choices.

 

Let's also not forget the big 3 he mentioned all sell HD trucks. You're talking large parts and rough service for those beast because they idle all day, max pay loads everyday, towing heavy, etc.. Harder work than any toyota has ever seen ( oh wait, they tow the space shuttle ). toyota sells a half ton truck and poor sells to boot. Ford sells 9 times as many trucks, kinda makes sense why there are more trucks in for servicing don't ya think (prime81). So your whole toyota has a 2 week wait time so they HAVE to be better theory is flawed.

 

No, no it's not.

All service time is indicative of is how long it would be to get service on your vehicle at said dealership. Nothing more, nothing less.

And I have trouble believing you wouldn't be able to get your truck in for minor service for 2 months.

 

Around this area, Ford does not out sell the other truck makes. And I'm not comparing 3/4 ton trucks to the Toyota because that's just stupid.

f150 vs silverado 1500 vs sierra 1500 vs ram 1500 vs tundra

Yes those dealerships have to deal with all the vehicles in their lineups, but so does Toyota. Bottomline is, call around and ask your local dealerships, it makes for a better customer experience. Around here, Toyota is far better in the service department.... this may not be the case elsewhere which is why you should research the topic before buying. This is directed to helping the OP make his decision, I am not preaching that Toyota is perfect.

From my personal experience, I've seen a Ford Explorer kill a classmate, the f150 I purchased had issues everywhere, the local cable company complains about broken down f150s all day long, my wife's uncle a BIG Ford fan has issues with both his f250 diesel and f150... his f250 has been in the shop for over 4 months with issues in the last year alone. The uncle's wife also had an Expedition with a blown tranny at 50k miles. Now maybe these are all a series of unfortunate events, but that's the taste Ford has left myself with.

GMC, I owned a 2008 sierra 2500 diesel... owned it for 4 years bought at 59k miles, traded at 156k miles, only thing it went in for was a leaking trans cooler line. My family has driven GM vehicles ranging from malibu's, to tahoe's, to sierra 1500s and 2500s.... none of them had any issues and all of them went past 150k miles.

Dodge, I owned a brand new 2008 ram 2500 diesel.... owned it for less than 6 months, 16k miles turbo had to be replaced, dodge black listed in the VIN saying bad fuel was the cause and anything future was going to be out of my pocket. Traded that sucker for the sierra 2500 listed above. I did own a ram 1500 between 2007 and 2008 that had zero issues. My parents owned an 88, 97, and 99 dodge caravan... all had zero issues with over 150k miles on all of them.

Toyota, I've owned two Tundras and a 05 4runner, all of which so far(knock on wood) have had no issues. My in laws are huge Toyota fans, multiple land cruisers, a sienna, rav4, and highlanders all with 100k+ miles and no issues other than recalls, which the recalls were covered at no cost.

That is my experience and perspective on the brands.

 

Then maybe you shouldn't have bought a Ford in the first place. You seem like a "bad Ford story" magnet.

 

Your right I shouldn't have but I figured I would give them a shot. Now on the plus side, my wife's 08 Lincoln MKX seems to be doing fine currently other than some brake noise.

 

Convenient how you left that out of your original "every Ford vehicle I have ever owned or heard about is bad" rant in your previous post.

 

Actually I retract that statement, the Lincoln does have brake issues as well as harsh trans shifting, per the wife as of today.... The ford saga continues i suppose.

 

 

That's nice - my son in law's 99 Grand Caravan is on its 2nd engine and 4th transmission in 150k.

 

Perhaps it is time to close the books on this one?

 

I kind of like drama

But yeah... Thanks for the input guys. I'm waiting until the end of the year to pull the trigger. I currently have 92K on my F150. I have 2K on it since I started looking about 5 weeks ago. I don't need to wait any longer than December, but I want to save up some cash to put down with it. The Toyota dealership offered me 17K for my truck, Chevy offered 13K (but actually asked about my accidents etc where Toyota didn't), however Toyota offered no rebates, and Chevy offered 7000K in rebates... so 17K v 20K.... Ford won't give me a number until I'm actually there signing my name to the paper - so I will wait until December for that one. KBB says my truck is worth 17K for a trade in and 20-21K for private party.

I would like to add that I drove a 1985 Chevy El Camino for my first car. Drove the thing apart litereally. It had rolled over the odo at least once. Never had an issue except for the fan blades coming apart in 2006 - started to eat through the hood lol (and I though it was low grade fuel making the motor tick hahahaha). I also drove an early model '99 Tahoe that made it 178K - only issues were the brakes were made for a corolla and not a full size truck. Had to replace the pads about once ever 10K miles - only model that did that according to our old mechanic.

With my current truck that I got new in 2008 (2008 model, sat on the dealership for over a year and no one so much as test drove it), I had multiple issues, ranging from the entire electrical system failing and the A/C actuator frying at 9K miles, to a "knocking" downshift around 23mph at 7K miles, to horrible steering vibration that moves and clicks when on the highway ever since 12K miles. Also had one of my engine hoses get hosed which cost me 750 bucks at the dealership to get repaired. Aside from that issue, Ford fixed most of the problems with my truck, but actually think my truck could've legally been a lemon.

I have heard nothing but good reviews and high gas mileage from the 5.0 F150... I have heard of oil leaks with the 5.3, however, the AFM can be turned off with a programmer, which means no oil leaks (oil leaks come from oil being pumped into the unused 4 cyl when AFM is on). The Toyota looks like a dog that somebody smashed the face in on, and Dodge.... yeah I'm not even going there... I just have always wondered who in the world they consult to come up with the design for the Dodge's front end. How does someone consistently make something that ugly? There's not an uglier truck on the road - the only competitor is the Suzuki pickup - blah! my neighbor has one. Nastiest looking thing in the world -- "Lets make a truck that has 0 payload and looks like a dinosaur turd."