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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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0-40,50,60 and with a trailer 5.0 vs 5.4

The 5.0 does extremely well vs the 5.4 in every category. Ford did a nice job with this engine. Over 1 second faster to 40 mph. That is a huge difference.

2011 4x4 screw 5.0 3.73 gears 2009 4x4 screw 5.4 3.73 gears
0-40=3.95 seconds vs 5.03seconds
0-50=5.42 seconds vs. 6.68 seconds
0-60=7.18 seconds vs. 8.96 seconds
1/4 mile 15.53@92.85 vs. 16.96@85.91
5.0 pulling 9000 pounds 5.4 pulling 6500 pounds
0-40=8.4 seconds vs 9.15 seconds
0-50=12.63 seconds vs 12.40 seconds
0-60=16.85 seconds vs 17.00 seconds
1/4 mile = 21.60@62.29 vs 21.56@67.36


http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/02...-v-8.html#more

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks....me-to-the.html
 

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 05:01 PM
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You stepped in it now... LOL... The 5.4 guy's are gonna call a party foul. Test's weren't performed on the same day, at the same place, by the same drivers, using the same gas and towing the same weight.


It look's like the new 5.0 can pull 9K pounds a few ticks slower in the 1/4 mile than the 5.4 can pull 6.5K pounds.

That's a 5.0 win in my book.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 05:15 PM
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He more than stepped in it he threw it and its heading strait for the fan..
i was looking at the article and the 5.0L had 3.73 gears. but even then.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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You stepped in it now... LOL... The 5.4 guy's are gonna call a party foul. Test's weren't performed on the same day, at the same place, by the same drivers, using the same gas and towing the same weight.


It look's like the new 5.0 can pull 9K pounds a few ticks slower in the 1/4 mile than the 5.4 can pull 6.5K pounds.

That's a 5.0 win in my book.
I wish someone would do an apples to apples test, but I guess it doesn't matter anyways. They are all nice trucks. I can't wait to see ecoboost numbers in all these catergories.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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Wow, they are really off the beaten path next to the big magazines that been testing road times since I was a kid.

I'll put my money on the big 3 testers, Motor Trend (Truck Trend), Car and Driver, and Road and Track.

In the 2009 Shoot out at Motor Trend, they found the Hemi Ram CC 4WD at 6.9 Seconds 0 - 60mph and the F150 5.4L Screw 4WD at 7.6 . That's only a .7 second difference compared to pickup trucks.com ??? or who ever.

Car and Driver found the Dodge Ram Hemi CC 4WD at 7.4 sec 0 - 60 mph and the F150 5.4L Screw 4WD 7.9 sec 0 -60 mph. That's a .5 second difference compared to Motor Trends difference of .7 seconds.

Now this unheard of Pickup Trucks.com is saying that there's a 1.3 second difference between the Ram and F150. I stick with the big mags, I believe they're more professional at getting more accurate results.

Also, a Dodge ram has much more HP and Torque than than the F150 and is usually a bit lighter. The F150 with the 5.0L is in no way going to be faster than a Dodge Hemi. At best on a good day, it may break even, but it's not going to beat it.

Your Pickup Trucks. Com is saying that the 5.0L truck is 1.7 seconds faster with only 15 more lbs of torque and 50 more Horses. I simply don't buy this as it breaks the laws of common sense when you see tests and reviews done by the professional magazines that are in opposition.
 

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:33 PM
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I think Ford sand bagged the power of the 5.0. The Mustang version has 420Hp but all the tests seem to indicate that it is much more than what they are saying. I think the truck version is the same. I would venture to guess this was done to help sell the EB for the first few years. If the 5.0 was sold with the same output as the EB and very close to the 6.2 why would anyone buy the optional motors? Ford knows that the fuel economy numbers have to come up significantly in the near future. The only way to do this is go high-tech and smaller displacement. With the EB they are getting the jump on the other brands before they are required to.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:34 PM
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I wonder how 100% believable the performance of this tested 5.0 really is............

Let's compare to the competitors......not just the old 5.4...

If you compare the numbers from this recent towing road test from pickuptrucks.com to the numbers in the 2008 shootout........it says that the 5.0 with 3.73's towing 9000lbs is as follows.....
0 to 40 = 8.94
0 to 60 = 16.85

Dodge Hemi 3.92's towing 6500lbs
0 to 40 = 8.60
0 to 60 = 16.48 So much for a "hemi" being impressive!

Chevy 6.2 (premium fuel) 3.42's towing 6500lbs
0 to 40 = 7.64
0 to 60 = 13.96

So let's not bash on the 5.4...............looks to me like when we compare apples to apples the competition's largest V8's will not pull 9000lbs as well as our mass production small V8......let alone our ECO or 6.2.

I already know how awesome my custom tuned 5.4 with intake, exhaust and 3.73's pulls (in fact I feel it pulls better than any 1/2 chevy or Dodge hemi I have driven)............if the 5.0 will truly perform and pull this well compared to the competition's bigger motors....I say

The eco and 6.2 .....
 

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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I think Ford sand bagged the power of the 5.0. The Mustang version has 420Hp but all the tests seem to indicate that it is much more than what they are saying. I think the truck version is the same. I would venture to guess this was done to help sell the EB for the first few years. If the 5.0 was sold with the same output as the EB and very close to the 6.2 why would anyone buy the optional motors? Ford knows that the fuel economy numbers have to come up significantly in the near future. The only way to do this is go high-tech and smaller displacement. With the EB they are getting the jump on the other brands before they are required to.
I don't think so. I read an article where Ford used different parts on the motor to give it a better power curve, torque and HP, with lower Peaks to work better in a truck. Myself, I don't think they went far enough. I know these 5.0L can offer a better torque curve if they are factory tuned right. I think they wanted big numbers for promotional benefits. I truly believe their numbers are right on if not a little bloated at least in the torque rating.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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Wow, they are really off the beaten path next to the big magazines that been testing road times since I was a kid.

I'll put my money on the big 3 testers, Motor Trend (Truck Trend), Car and Driver, and Road and Track.

In the 2009 Shoot out at Motor Trend, they found the Hemi Ram CC 4WD at 6.9 Seconds 0 - 60mph and the F150 5.4L Screw 4WD at 7.6 . That's only a .7 second difference compared to pickup trucks.com ??? or who ever.

Car and Driver found the Dodge Ram Hemi CC 4WD at 7.4 sec 0 - 60 mph and the F150 5.4L Screw 4WD 7.9 sec 0 -60 mph. That's a .5 second difference compared to Motor Trends difference of .7 seconds.

Now this unheard of Pickup Trucks.com is saying that there's a 1.3 second difference between the Ram and F150. I stick with the big mags, I believe they're more professional at getting more accurate results.

Also, a Dodge ram has much more HP and Torque than than the F150 and is usually a bit lighter. The F150 with the 5.0L is in no way going to be faster than a Dodge Hemi. At best on a good day, it may break even, but it's not going to beat it.

Your Pickup Trucks. Com is saying that the 5.0L truck is 1.7 seconds faster with only 15 more lbs of torque and 50 more Horses. I simply don't buy this as it breaks the laws of common sense when you see tests and reviews done by the professional magazines that are in opposition.
They got 7.64 0-60 and 15.8@91.83
Thats less than .5 seconds and .3 seconds difference. With the 6 speed in the Ford vs Dodge 5 speed it makes sense that the Ford is faster.

Ecoboost is going to put out some unreal numbers.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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They got 7.64 0-60 and 15.8@91.83
Thats less than .5 seconds and .3 seconds difference. With the 6 speed in the Ford vs Dodge 5 speed it makes sense that the Ford is faster.

Ecoboost is going to put out some unreal numbers.
Exactly, I don't buy that. The 5.0L should be slower. It's no lighter, and is out speced in both HP and Torque very significantly. Most 5 speeds autos are no slower than the new 6 speeds and the Dodge's have some of the fastest trucks, that have heavy metal underneither (Wimpy Titans and Tundras need not apply!).

Can't wait to see Motor Trend and Car and Driver do a test on a 5.0L Screw 4WD. That will put accuracy into my mind.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Up
Also, a Dodge ram has much more HP and Torque than than the F150 and is usually a bit lighter. The F150 with the 5.0L is in no way going to be faster than a Dodge Hemi. At best on a good day, it may break even, but it's not going to beat it.
Sorry Mike........what you said there is complete and total BS. The Dodge Hemi is not nearly as impressive as Dodge owners claim. Look what I posted above!

I bet a 5.0 will actually handle the "Dodge 5.7 with hemi heads"
....I have towed 6-7000lbs with them and I guarantee my truck pulls better.

Also read the 2010 HD shoutout by pickuptrucks.com..........Dodge hemi does very well against the Ford 6.2 - until they put a load behind it and/or make them run the 7% grade. then the 6.2 embarasses it.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Exactly, I don't buy that. The 5.0L should be slower. It's no lighter, and is out speced in both HP and Torque very significantly. Most 5 speeds autos are no slower than the new 6 speeds and the Dodge's have some of the fastest trucks, that have heavy metal underneither (Wimpy Titans and Tundras need not apply!).

Can't wait to see Motor Trend and Car and Driver do a test on a 5.0L Screw 4WD. That will put accuracy into my mind.
Actually Mike...........Dodge gets a really bad rap for their crappy 5 speed. Many experts and myself agree that it performs poorly, is programmed terribly......and the middle gears are way too far apart!
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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Wow, they are really off the beaten path next to the big magazines that been testing road times since I was a kid.

Your Pickup Trucks. Com is saying that the 5.0L truck is 1.7 seconds faster with only 15 more lbs of torque and 50 more Horses. I simply don't buy this as it breaks the laws of common sense when you see tests and reviews done by the professional magazines that are in opposition.
You're comparing published HP and Torque ratings for these engines. We know Ford has sand bagged their numbers by just comparing dyno charts for both engines. The 5.0 makes about 50-60 more lbs of Torque and about 70 more Horses over the 5.4

It makes perfect sense when you look at the actual numbers.
 

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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The F150 with the 5.0L is in no way going to be faster than a Dodge Hemi. At best on a good day, it may break even, but it's not going to beat it.
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5.0 with 3.73's towing 9000lbs is as follows.....
0 to 40 = 8.94
0 to 60 = 16.85

Dodge Hemi 3.92's towing 6500lbs
0 to 40 = 8.60
0 to 60 = 16.48 So much for a "hemi" being impressive!

not even close.........5.0 with taller gears and way more weight. 5.0 is by far the champion in the towing game

Dodge way overrated as usual.
It make me laugh how they market that 5.7...."the legendary hemi"
It's a 5.7 with hemi shaped heads that's been around for 7 years LMAO - legendary
The 426 was the legend!
 
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:06 PM
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I don't think so. I read an article where Ford used different parts on the motor to give it a better power curve, torque and HP, with lower Peaks to work better in a truck. Myself, I don't think they went far enough. I know these 5.0L can offer a better torque curve if they are factory tuned right. I think they wanted big numbers for promotional benefits. I truly believe their numbers are right on if not a little bloated at least in the torque rating.
Ok, then explain how there is only 15% drive line loss on this combo? The typical loss for a 4x4 F-150 is closer to 30%. Either there is more power or Ford worked a miracle.
 
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