2009 - 2014 F-150

So I did a PDI on a 2010 and noticed something...

Old Dec 6, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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They also said that they moved a lot less air than mechanical fans and didnt last as long.

I guess the way they figure it is if you have a mechanical fan moving air at 5000rpm and it's pulling 10hp a electrical fan which is also moving 5000cfm needs the same amount of HP to get that amount of CFM. Like they say. You cant get something from nothing. The engine will have to put out at least 10hp to give the electric fan enough power to move 5000CFM. If they could then all cars would be using gas engines to drive a electric motor that drives the wheels. They already do this but at massive decrease in HP/TQ. Same as the electric fan nearly always needs to run after you switch of the engine because they cant cool like mechanical fans.

But perhaps the laws of physics don't apply to engine fans
there is no doubt in my mind it either has to do with cost or ease of assembly, a mechanical fan robs very little power when the fan clutch is not engaged. Another possibility could be noise as electric fans are alot quieter.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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there is no doubt in my mind it either has to do with cost or ease of assembly, a mechanical fan robs very little power when the fan clutch is not engaged. Another possibility could be noise as electric fans are alot quieter.

Yeah for sure cost and ease of install are other feature ford liked but noise is more to do with the CFM the fan operates over the design. The only way the electric fan would be quiter is if it is moving less air a minute and thats prob why they always run after you get out of the vehicle.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Yeah for sure cost and ease of install are other feature ford liked but noise is more to do with the CFM the fan operates over the design. The only way the electric fan would be quiter is if it is moving less air a minute and thats prob why they always run after you get out of the vehicle.
they are quieter because electric fans arent always running at the same time, 90% of the time only one fan is operating. When you turn on A/C and additional cooling is needed for the condensor or your temp is way up it will kick in the other fan.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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The only way the electric fan would be quiter is if it is moving less air a minute and thats prob why they always run after you get out of the vehicle.

they stay on a moment after the vehicle is shut off because they are just waiting to be told to shut off by the ECM due to 2 reasons. 1 being that computer doesn't just shut off, it has an order it does it in or, 2. it stays on because the vehicle is set to cool the radiator to a certain temp.


why would you want mech over elect? in traffic at idle your getting very little air with the clutch fan, but with electric you get a large amount of air. and at speed, you don't need fans too much anyway.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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^thats true as well. it also improves A/C performance at low speeds because they can cool the condesor better when the vehicle is not moving fast enough.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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^thats true as well. it also improves A/C performance at low speeds because they can cool the condesor better when the vehicle is not moving fast enough.
I was going to point that one out too. Good job.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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I always thought the Mec fan disconnected from the engine at higher speeds due to the fan not being need and it produces more than enough cooling at lower speeds due to the high CFM. If it didnt then i guess we would have over heating issues in cars with mec fans.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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I always thought the Mec fan disconnected from the engine at higher speeds due to the fan not being need and it produces more than enough cooling at lower speeds due to the high CFM. If it didnt then i guess we would have over heating issues in cars with mec fans.
the fan clutch does disconect when its not needed. mechanical fuel pumps worked back in the day too...there is always room for improvement.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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the fan clutch does disconect when its not needed. mechanical fuel pumps worked back in the day too...there is always room for improvement.
Yeah there's def room for improvement. I have just never understood the clims of an increase in HP from such silly little things. Snake oil comes to mind. This is like the CAI and exhaust debates on increaseing power. I have never found they do anything other than let lots of dust into engine and make loud noise
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 06:42 AM
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Yeah there's def room for improvement. I have just never understood the claims of an increase in HP from such silly little things. Snake oil comes to mind. This is like the CAI and exhaust debates on increasing power. I have never found they do anything other than let lots of dust into engine and make loud noise
That's because you're not using your butt dyno.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 08:46 AM
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Yeah there's def room for improvement. I have just never understood the clims of an increase in HP from such silly little things. Snake oil comes to mind. This is like the CAI and exhaust debates on increaseing power. I have never found they do anything other than let lots of dust into engine and make loud noise
Amen brother!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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This is like the CAI and exhaust debates on increaseing power. I have never found they do anything other than let lots of dust into engine and make loud noise
they have their place...and that place is not on a diesel work truck. Lots of dusted engines go through my shop because of these CAI systems.
 
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