I'm keeping my 09 a few years. I think the 6.2 is great but I really want to see a twin turboed V-8 - maybe the 5.0 or even 6.2! If they can't make that happen in a couple years, I'll get a 6.2.

 

you kinda have to now! If not bring lots of KY lube when you go to trade it in! lol

 

You would be surprised. Some people in 09 got very good discounts on the 09's. I got around 10k of MSRP if i remember correctly and my dealer is selling used 09's for more than i paid for mine brand new. Check out auto trader. There are many used 09's selling for more than the guys who are selling them prob paid for them.

 

depending on the engine line up.. I will probably trade my 09 in...I got it for 27,000 0%apr. I got it down to 22,000 I owe...and it would be over another year by the time I traded it in...
when do you think they will release the info on new engine line up??? possibly at the la auto show next month?

 

I had a 08 SD before I got this truck. I don't have to keep it but want to! I'm actually happy with the 5.4 but always up for more power!

 

Spoke with an ENCS rep today about the 6.2L Raptor and he had literature that repeatedly said "Winter 2010 availability". He said the 5.4L is the only engine that would be available to pre-ordering until mid-2010. I haven't confirmed this by speaking to anyone at Ford.

Did your ENCS rep give you the dates you used above or do you have another source for this information? Just trying to figure out what the real deal is since it seems we've been told conflicting info. Thanks!

 

I'm not much of a power hound (as long as I have enough to get the job done) although I was hoping Ford would come out with something innovative to satisfy those who can never seem to get enough. The guys in Europe get all the trick diesel engines with more power than that in their passenger cars. How would you like a 6.0L producing 500hp and 738 lb/ft of torque? That's what you could get in the Audi Q7 4WD if you lived in Europe.

Even the diminutive VW Tourag was available with a 5.0L producing 310 hp and 500 lb/ft of torque. You would think Ford could do better in a full-sized pick-up!

 

im sure it can be related to either CAFE regulations, emissions or NVH, we all know the 6.2 CAN make more power...they made 500hp in the version used in BAJA. Just imagine what a CAI, Tuner, Catback combo will do to a 6.2

 

What's "NVH"?

 

noise/vibration/harshness dont you love acronyms

 

Noise, vibration and harshness? You have got to be kidding. Both the Audi and the VW are are known for being smooth and quiet. If the U.S. made engines can pass the NVH criteria, I am sure these can.

As to CAFE standards, the Europeans have strict emission standards as well. I know CAFE standards are not identical but any differences are likely driven by either domestic oil refinery interests or protecting the domestic auto interest from the stiff competition these advanced diesels offer. Probably more the latter because I know the Audi and Toureg diesels are very advanced in terms of the environment and human health.

I believe the American consumer should not be "protected" from enjoying the same engines the Europeans have access to.

 

I seriously doubt that the 3.5 EcoBoost V6 will ever be in a truck unless it's in the Adrenaline or similar style sport truck. Torque and HP is not down low where it is needed in a truck. I would think they kill the 4.6L in favor of the 5.0L, leave the 5.4L standard, and have the 6.2L as the upgrade option for the F150.

I would love to see that 4.4L make it into production, but I don't see it happening in the next 2-3 years. That scorpion diesel will be a great addition to the engine line up, but it won't make it into an F150. My next truck will be an SD F-250 anyway, so hopefully they get the kinks worked out with the Scorpion by then. Don't want to buy until I'm sure it isn't going to end up like the PS 6.0L.

 

The issue is $$$. The cost of a 6.2L gas V8 vs. a new emissions friendly diesel is HUGE. And the mpg advantage diesels had is almost gone, (some would argue it is gone) Don't agree? Then why did they all postpone/cancel the light duty diesel programs? Why are gas powered heavy duty pickup sales on the rise? Because the cost of a new diesel cannot be recouped/offset with mpg gains with normal driving patterns. Unless you tow 80%+ of the time. On a straight debate of tourque you argument is good. But when you consider all factors... not going to happen. Top end Audi and VW suvs/crossovers are so pricey they can offer these high end diesels and still make money. On a F150 you'd have to charge and extra $5,000 min and then people will move to a Superduty.

 

I don't buy it. North America has more high-end truck buyers than Europe has high-end SUV/crossover buyers. If they can afford it and make a large enough market to make it feasible there, then we could do the same thing over here. All we ever hear about is how the wealthy Europeans are taxed to death. If so, why do they get the most trick engines (and eat the best food)?

I would have paid more than $5000 extra to have that sweet VW 5.0L V10 turbo-diesel in my F-150. The same engine could also be offered in the Super-Duty range considering that it has 500 lb/ft. of torque. The base MSRP of an F-150 is $21,380 but a fully loaded Platinum F-150 has an MSRP over $51,000! That's a $30,000 difference so I think there is room for a $5,000 engine upgrade. Or are North Americans so addicted to extra chrome, leather seats, cargo bed accessories, man steps, 6 CD changers, MP3 players, Sync Navigation, fancy paint colors, power sliding rear windows, power folding running boards, rain sensing wipers, heated butt warmers and special grills that they can afford to spend tens of thousands on those items but not a few thousand for a turbo-diesel with 500 hp and 738 lb/ft of torque that would boast a further range between fill-ups?

If I were more of a power junkie I would want the same engine that's in the Audi Q7, the 6.0L V12 turbo-diesel with 500 hp and 738 lb/ft of torque!

I'm just tired of the Euros getting the most trick engines, ones that aren't even offered over here.

 

Proofs in the pudding. They are not offering half ton diesels for this reason. They didn't spend all the $$ developing them just to shelf them...

And yes in general truck folks would not give up all the options for a better engine. They'd want both and that would be too costly. How mad would a Platinum/King Ranch/Harley owner be when the XLT beside him has the new "Kick-Azz" engine.