Well the cam phasers are knocking now, power is in the toilet, and the P0012 is back with a vengance...

Time to tear down and rebuild that stupid VCT set...

Yeah not one of my favorite design features of the 5..4L 3V Triton engines...

So I am pricing up parts, and want to make sure I have my all my i's dottend and t's crossed as it were...

To do the job I am looking at the following shopping list...

CLOYES Part # 90391SB Includes: Crank Sprocket, Chain (2), Tensioner (2), Tensioner Arm (2), Guide (2)

FEL-PRO Part # TCS46078 Timing Cover Gasket Set.

DORMAN Part # 917250 Camshaft Phaser / Variable Timing Sprocket

FEL-PRO Part # VS50664R PermaDry® Valve Cover Gasket Set W/VCT Grommets.

GATES Part # 43504 Water Pump Includes Gasket.

I would also need a new serpentine belt, upper and lower radiator hoses, coolant, oil, and filter.

I have heard some folks say this would be a good time to go in and do the oil pump as well... Is it worth it at 110K miles?

The Saturn is almost ready to hit the road again, and the family borrowed car deal won't last for long! So it's up to me to finish getting it ready by tossing the new belt on it, verifying the power steering lines are tight, filling it, with coolant and power steering fluid, banging the bad wheel stud out and pressing a new one in then getting it inspected and on the road again...

This should buy me the time to do the work on the engine of the truck, AND swap those HD Moog coils over to get the nose back into the air...

So what says the forum. Is my shopping list about right or am I due to find some surprises in there that I should prepare for?

 

From reading other threads, I'm under the impression that you should use Motorcraft phasers. Don't know about the Cloyes parts but I've heard that the Dorman phasers aren't so hot.

 

That's not all that reassuring after all, it's the motorcraft OEM phasers that went to crapola in the first place...

 

No need to pull the water pump, unless you are inclined to just replace it. As far as rad hoses, I only removed my upper. It was in good shape, so I reused it.

Pick up some rtv sealant. You will need to put a dab at any seam that the gasket crosses. So where the cylinder head meets the block in 4 spots, also where the valve covers meet the front cover. I put a thin line around the front of the pan to help reseal the front cover as well.

As far as the oil pump, I never replaced mine. I probably should have when I was in there, but I also had good oil pressure when I replaced my phasers.

If you are replacing the pump, I've heard that the gt500 oil pump puts out more volume than the stock oil pump. I have not verified, but it's worth looking into.

 

Also, I found this very helpful.

http://www.f150forum.com/f4/final-re...-sound-141266/

 

That's why they have an improved model now for field replacement.

 

I have a hunch that it's not the Dorman phasers that aren't so hot as much as it is the diagnostic skills of those who swap those phasers in the first place.

I'm sure if I search enough, I can find plenty of examples of other brands of phasers being used where the knock returns due to the low oil pressure issues not being addressed in the first place.

Those don't look like the old 2v 5.4 tensioners in that kit...I'd toss those in instead, FWIW.

 

Been doing some asking around with some of the guys running in the shops around me. The Dorman phasers seem fine, but yeah, Motorcraft would be preferred. Looking for them...

I have A ton of work to do on this thing, and am gathering the goodies up for it...

 

Okay so my shopping list, compared to the one from the user at http://www.f150forum.com/f4/final-re...-sound-141266/ has up...

CLOYES Part # 90391SB Includes: Crank Sprocket, Chain (2), Tensioner (2), Tensioner Arm (2), Guide (2). $119.79

FEL-PRO Part # TCS46078 Timing Cover Gasket Set. $39.79

DORMAN Part # 917250 Camshaft Phaser / Variable Timing Sprocket. $117.79 x2

FEL-PRO Part # VS50664R PermaDry® Valve Cover Gasket Set W/VCT Grommets. $48.79

GATES Part # 43504 Water Pump Includes Gasket. $22.79

GATES K061015 Serpentine Belt. $20.99

GATES 38274 Belt Tensioner $27.79

GATES 38001 Idler Pulley $14.01

GATES 22589 Lower Radiator Hose $13.50

GATES 22863 Upper Radiator Hose $13.70

SEALED POWER 22443663 Oil Pump $93.89

My shopping list is FAR more extensive, I am figuring if I am going in there I might as well get oil pump, water pump, belts, hoses, tensioners replaced at the same time. I mean this is a much better time to swap these out compared to somewhere out on a highway between Houston and Oklahoma City...

My grand total for parts, not including fluids such as oil, oil filter (in my inventory), coolant (Need to get some locally), and hose clamps, comes up to $650.62 + $22.09 S&H for a grand total of $672.71

Since the truck is going to be down for a while to do this, I am taking the opportunity to do some other LONG overdue work.

#1. Complete the trailer harness / accessory reverse LED light install.
#2. Install the Moog HD coil springs.
#3. Replace sway bar, and lower control arm bushings.
#4. Finish off the exhaust. Stop the leaks at the cats. Graft in a 2.5x2.5x3 Y pipe, to a 3" Summit kit, with a Magnaflow SISO muffler, exiting in the stock location.

 

Have you called Tasca for a quote on Motorcraft components?

 

Nope. They don't show the parts on their site, figured if they didn't list them, they don't sell them...

 

Got the quote from Tasca, I have one major bill to finish paying off, and I will likely be ordering the parts this upcoming Friday. Good thing the heat of summer is almost over...