Filled up today $135
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Yep from empty, at 3am.
i figured if the myth of colder gas is true i may as well fill up since i was out.
I heard another myth yesterday too saying if you dont click the gas nozzle at full open and keep it at low you get more gas for the money. i guess if its at full open your pumping gas and vapor bubbles from the fast pump.
i figured if the myth of colder gas is true i may as well fill up since i was out.
I heard another myth yesterday too saying if you dont click the gas nozzle at full open and keep it at low you get more gas for the money. i guess if its at full open your pumping gas and vapor bubbles from the fast pump.
Gas like any material has volumetric changes due to temperature changes. However, there is a flaw in thinking if I buy gas at night when it's cooler, I am getting more. The underground storage tank is burried deep enough that there are minimal changes in temperature. The tank/fluid temp is about 55 degrees. Only when fresh fuel is delivered is there any changes in temp and volume. So, it's best to buy when the station has not recieved a fuel delivery within the last 12 hours. Other then that it's just a myth.
TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are paying up to $3.75 to $4.10 per gallon. My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon:
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.
I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are paying up to $3.75 to $4.10 per gallon. My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon:
Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.
A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.
Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.
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Was talking to a guy today that has an 02 Dodge with a 360. He said he's working 3 hours one way from his house and it costs him about $100 a day to fill it up. It costs me about $50-70 a WEEK in gas and I'm complaining
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i've been looking at the Audi A3 TDI, i found one that would be an even trade for my truck, but it was on the other side of the country. They're in crazy high demand so not much out there for pre-owned.
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Or even a new ones at these times, hoping end of the year will be the right time to get one. But, for $20k for a fully loaded car, brand new you can't beat it.
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From Rednoved's quote:
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
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Talked to a few salesman and they are currently marking up em $2-4k when gas is $5 a gal. mark up is/well be $6-8k.
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A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business.
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I almost bought a Jetta Sportwagen TDI about a year ago - the dealer was holding firm at MSRP, but no additional profit BS. I would have bought it if he had the exact color and interior I wanted with a manual transmission and no options. Close but no cigar.
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The wagons the don't seem to move off of the msrp at all or if they do it is very little. Plus the wagons don't seem to get the same MPG as a jetta sedan, which is what I am after. I have been browsing the dealer lots to get a feel for them and see what the have on the lots. Majority of the time they are the fully loaded models, which I look at in a good way as they have so many of them on the lot as that is what I am after and hoping they are more willing to deal.
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The darned thing caught fire on me today. I turned on the a/c and the plug for the blower motor resistor caught fire. I got it out and unplugged, hope the $13 resistor is the cause. It wouldn't work on high all winter with the heat, but today it did with the a/c but went up in flames. It melted the plug a bit, and a male connector on the resistor, but the plug is salvageable. It's not supposed to be 80 degrees yet. We went from 30 degree weather to 80's in a week.
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Of course I did. Did you comprehend what I wrote?
That temperature change does not happen in a few hours. It happens in a few weeks. Ground temperature changes are much slower than air temperature changes.
I ain't waiting to fill up. I'm going to fill up, and not rely on old wives tales.
That temperature change does not happen in a few hours. It happens in a few weeks. Ground temperature changes are much slower than air temperature changes.
I ain't waiting to fill up. I'm going to fill up, and not rely on old wives tales.