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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:50 AM
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My '06 does the same thing. I haven't been to the dealership yet to start that fight, but will be before long.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 07:13 AM
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Thanks guys. I have contacted the dealer and asked to meet for 5 minutes with the dealership manager. I will keep you posted on the outcome.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Man that sucks, I really feel for ya. When I took my truck to the dealership the other day to replace my transmission, I had 4 service reps and 2 mechanics come out to look at my truck and to help me with what I needed. Was probably the most quick and painless experiance i had ever had at the dealership. I even had one of the mechanics pull out a $100 bill and offer it to me for both my Tonka, grill and tailgate emblems on the spot.

I hate dealing with people like you had to deal with. My wife dont go anywhere with me anymore because i become irrate about stuff like that and make a big scene... which usually ends up with the person apologizing to me infront of the manager.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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I have been in the Ford Service bay (too) many times (front disc rotor replacement, rebuilt rear end, replaced tail lights, new throttle body, replaced temp sensor, buytl pad). And as of a few weeks ago my diff. has developed a "clunk". My truck has 20,400 miles on it and i am approx. 3-4 weeks out of warranty.
I made an appt. and the dealer acknowleged the noise. When I asked when could they work on it, they told me they didn't know, the drivetrain dept is overloaded. (whats the point of making an appt. if they don't know when they can work on it?) he told me to bring it in on a daily basis and sooner or later they will get to it. Sure....I have time to drop it off mon thru friday and then find a way back to and from the dealership and work.
So the more I thought about it the more i got mad, and this includes all the things that have had to be replaced over the 3 years ive owned the truck.
On the Ford.com site there is a contact Ford page, I filled in the information blocks, stated my history with the truck and disapointment with the last dealings with the service people at the dealer. Next day i receiced an e-mail from Ford, which turned into a detailed phone call. Within an hour after my conversation with Ford, the dealership called me and asked when could i bring the truck in. (I took it in this morning). And they are covering it under warranty.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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I made an appt. and the dealer acknowleged the noise. When I asked when could they work on it, they told me they didn't know, the drivetrain dept is overloaded. (whats the point of making an appt. if they don't know when they can work on it?) he told me to bring it in on a daily basis and sooner or later they will get to it. Sure....I have time to drop it off mon thru friday and then find a way back to and from the dealership and work.
I literally bit off the service manage's heads one time for that crap. I went in one day.. maybe a thursday or friday. he tells me to bring it in on Tuesday because that was their first opening.. I ask when they open in the morning.

He says they begin working at 8:00 but he arives at 7:30. "I'm here at 7:30. Bring it in then and we'll get right on it"

I think "Sweet, The service manager is actually working with me.

1 o clock rolls around and I still havent heard anything. I call and it's still sitting in the parking lot. They havent even looked at it yet. I completly lost it. I lost an entire day of working and odd jobs because I didnt have my truck.. Somthing that should have taken 3 hours at tops.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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No response from the dealer and its been 24 hours. Plenty long for a dealership to at least acknowledge my email. If it isn't long enough, sorry. Based on anaheim's comments I sent this to Ford using their contact form:

BTW, the post is too long for the forum so I am making two posts....

I have been a Ford owner since 1989 when I bought my first Ranger. Since that time I have owned Rangers, an Explorer and F-150's, all of which were purchased new. I have been so happy with my truck purchases I have helped other people make the decision to buy a Ford and specifically from this dealership, including my mother.

I currently own a 2004 F-150 Supercrew FX4 which I purchased from Sheehy Ford in Springfield, VA. This dealership has been my home dealership for many years and I have purchased 3 trucks from them as well as made arrangements for both my mother and a co-worker to buy there as well. I have history with the dealership and I have been loyal to both Sheehy Ford and the Ford company.

I am writing you to make a formal complaint about the service department at Sheehy and to talk about how they have handled repairing my truck which is still under warranty. I have completed a Ford survey and have contacted the dealership requesting to speak to the manager of the store. The survey led only to a confrontation with the service advisor and the manager has not responded. It has only been 24 hours since I asked to speak to or meet with the manager but I have received no acknowledgement that I even contacted them. Now I am contacting you.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Continuation:

I have two problems: a water sound in the cab and my HVAC will not change the supply from feet to dash to defrost. It simply sticks in one place. I took the truck in the first time some 6 months ago and only for the HVAC issue. I was told they could not reproduce the problem and sent me on my way. The second time was bout 2 months ago and I took the truck in for both things. My service advisor called and said they could find nothing wrong with the HVAC and that my brakes were fine. Interesting that my brakes were checked since I said I heard water when braking but I never said I had a brake problem. When I went to pick up the truck I was upset, and I spoke to my service advisor Ralph. He indicated again they could find nothign wrong. I walked out to my truck and turned on the heat which was blowing from the dash. I tried changing the selector but the air never moved from the dash. So I drove around and asked Ralph to step outside. By the time I got outside the air had moved. Ralph said that it could take 5 minutes or more for the HVAC to change the supply to/from the feet/dash/defrost. Having heard enough I left.

I came back about a week later and there was only one person there as it was after closing. He (Peter?) runs the Quick Lane. I asked him to come out and just look at what the truck was doing. Sure enough he said that there seemed to be a problem. Great. I came back the following Monday and Ralph wasn't there. I asked another service advisor (Tyrone) to ride with me. He was in the truck 30 seconds and said there was something wrong with the HVAC supply. Next was the water. I sped up then applied the brakes, and there was a clear sound of running water. He asked me to do that again which I did. He jumped out and pulled the plastic covering the floor at the door and guess what? Water in the wiring channel. He knew right away what the problem was: leaking third brake light. We went back into the shop and he wrote up a parts order and I was on my way. He was in my truck less than two minutes and he did what Ralph was unable or unwilling to do in two previous visits.

When I was notified my parts were in I made an appointment through Ralph to bring the truck back. That appointment had to then be rescheduled by Ralph to the next (this) week. I dropped the truck off Monday night and Ralph confronted me about the survey I sent in which was specifically for the second tine the truck had been in for the same repair. He went on to tell me there is a TSB on the HVAC problem I have and that "Ford says it can take five minutes to change". I asked to see the TSB and he quickly moved past the TSB point, never actually showing me the TSB. We argued for a few minutes with him continuing to tell me that is normal behavior. I gave up and just waited on him to finish the ticket and left. He never deviated from his story, that my HVAC supply was functioning normally despite the fact that he just took the truck in to have the entire thing replaced because another service advisor was intelligent enough to see something was wrong.

I am supposed to pick up my truck today. This is my last shot at getting someone to tell me what you folks are building. Imagine a scenario: I am driving down the highway in the winter. The HVAC supply is on my feet and the windows fog up. I have to pull over (assuming I can safely) and wait five minutes or more to get my windows to start clearing up because that is how long it takes for me to be able to change my HVAC supply location. Did you (Ford) really engineer a vehicle to respond that way? If so I just bought my last Ford. If not, why do your service advisors lie to customers? And why are the dealerships' managers unwilling to do anything about it? Seems to me that honoring your warranty, especially with customers who have repeatedly demonstrated brand and dealership loyalty would be your goal. Especially with Ford posting losses like you did for 2006. Are those losses a sign to come? The answer is definitely yes unless you start treating your customers with some respect.

I would appreciate two responses, one from Ford and one from the dealership management. I think buying $100,000 in new vehicles from you over 18 years earns me the courtesy of a response, and I am looking forward to it. Thank you for your time.
I doubt they will respond and at this point I don't care. This will probably be my last Ford truck. I understand why they posted a $12.7 billion loss last year...
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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because they focused on mass prducing the best pick-up truck ever and didn't focus attention to the rest of their line-up. Why else! The F150 could'nt hold up the entire company.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Everyone who isn't recieving A+ work from their local Ford dealer time and time again. I hate to say it, it's your fault. Find another dealer!!! I have a dealer who is about 5 minutes away from my house, but I refuse to let them touch my truck. I instead drive 45 minutes to recieve excellent service!
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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Based on my experience they will respond, give it a day or 3.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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This is my first issue with this dealer after using them for 6 years...
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMX113
Everyone who isn't recieving A+ work from their local Ford dealer time and time again. I hate to say it, it's your fault. Find another dealer!!! I have a dealer who is about 5 minutes away from my house, but I refuse to let them touch my truck. I instead drive 45 minutes to recieve excellent service!
I also have a dealer that is only about 5 minutes from my house and I refuse to deal with them. Have had bad service from the in the past for repairs and when I was looking for my first F150 (97) they completely ignored me, even after asking several times for assistance so that I could view/test drive a few truck. I now drive about 30 minutes my dealer that I've since bought 3 F150s from.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 04:42 AM
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Here is the response I got from Ford:

Ford Motor Company is concerned with the satisfaction of all Ford and Lincoln-Mercury owners. We regret the circumstances that have prompted you to contact us. Excellent dealer service helps us maintain our customers' goodwill. When that service is not satisfactory, we appreciate being advised so the information may be forwarded to the appropriate department. Feedback helps us keep dealer services at the highest possible level.

Ford and Lincoln-Mercury dealerships are independently owned and operated. We are unable to intervene directly in workmanship issues. If you have not already done so, we would recommend you provide feedback to the Management Team at the dealership. We believe they would also appreciate knowing the details of your experience.

Sincerely,
Iris Camille
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company
In other words they will notify the dealer as I have already done... twice.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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In other words they will notify the dealer as I have already done... twice.
Having Ford notify them directly will get results. Especially if it affects their Blue Oval status with Ford.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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I just got off the phone with the service manager. Nice guy, seemed to be genuinely interested in my issue. I explained what the service advisor had said and he immediately said that wasn't right. He agreed that the service advisor was wrong and that he would discuss the matter with him immediately. So the question is, do I stay there or not? This is the first issue I have ever had with these folks. I can certainly go to a different service advisor. Thoughts?
 
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