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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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Terminal understeer

thanks ford, now I have to buy a rear sway bar

I don't mind the understeer when I'm going 90 but come on a rear wheel drive truck shouldn't feel like a FWD car on ice when cornering
 

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by styxnpicks
thanks ford, now I have to buy a rear sway bar

I don't mind the understeer when I'm going 90 but come on a rear wheel drive truck shouldn't feel like a FWD car on ice when cornering
Hi.

Jeez - anything will understeer on ice . With the forward weight bias and lack of traction, it should be expected, no?

Too much rear bar, and you'll be blessed with terminal oversteer

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
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Jeez - anything will understeer on ice . With the forward weight bias and lack of traction, it should be expected, no?

Too much rear bar, and you'll be blessed with terminal oversteer

Cheers
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the sad thing is I wasnt on ice just wet, and I had the pedal MASHED.. you'd think it would just fishtail again just like every other wet day (we are talking 20-25mph here) I miss my little old nissan... trail braking at 70 was fun
 

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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I think you're going to find that a rear sway bar will do very little to help a front engine / transmission, rear wheel drive pickup truck do much more than understeer on glare ice. There's just too much weight on the front wheels and not enough on the rears. Remember though, as Stirling Moss once said, "Understeer leads to very stable pile ups." I think what you experienced was Mother Nature and Father Physics double teaming you.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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this isn't the first time I've had the under steer issues under 50mph on dry, wet, or icy pavement.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by styxnpicks
this isn't the first time I've had the under steer issues under 50mph on dry, wet, or icy pavement.

Hi.

I know - it's gotta be the bazillion pounds of sound deadener you added. That, coupled with the drop, peckered you chassis dynamics.

Or, it could be the FartMaster 50. Try a Super 40, mebbie? Heard they corner better

These trucks ain't sportscars or autocrossers - not without a LOT of chassis work. Mine pushes like a pig too.

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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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Just get some gnarly 15" wide front tires that have a sidewall of 1" and you should be good.

 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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hey styx, did you ever weld (tack) the nuts and bolts to the frame from the lower control arms after you dropped it?

i thought i had a bad push one day in the rain, and the next day it happened dry. truck went into the corner at 35 and decided to start turning halfway through. come to find out the alignment guys didn't tighten the bolts to the lower arms and they loosened up, when i jacked up the front end, i could push the tire in and out, pretty bad.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dribone
hey styx, did you ever weld (tack) the nuts and bolts to the frame from the lower control arms after you dropped it?

i thought i had a bad push one day in the rain, and the next day it happened dry. truck went into the corner at 35 and decided to start turning halfway through. come to find out the alignment guys didn't tighten the bolts to the lower arms and they loosened up, when i jacked up the front end, i could push the tire in and out, pretty bad.

ouch. I know they arnt tacked... never thought to have them tacked. I am dropping the front end another inch after I buy the roush shocks... that along with new front and rear sways should take care of that pesky body roll
 
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since I added the rear sway bar and rear traction bars I have a lot of oversteer. I had to back my traction bars off a tad to balance the handling. Now with the new wheels and tires I put on 305/40/22's the truck really does handle like a sports car.
 
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