I can't believe you admit to owning a Honda! I'd be embarrassed to even admit owning a Honda let a lone drive in one!


I bet the wifey put you up to buying a Honda cause Men know better then that.....I feel for ya man

 

Not trying to start a debate here, but my Ford was assembled in Canada. Probably from parts made in Mexico and Taiwan. And second, who's getting parts for cheap? Oil changes done myself cost over $30, sparkplugs are almost $80, plus stock size, performance rotors for my 2WD was $700. Exhaust cost over $400, cold air intake cost $300, tuners cost $300, etc..... I know those are aftermarket, but you get the idea. NOTHING is cheap, and 100% made in the U.S.A. anymore. Even the smilies!!!

 

if there are no miss fire codes, then the idle is normal. ever heard of valve over lap. its part of the cam profile and is machined into the cam to get more torque from the engine at low rpms, thats why you bought a v8 truck right, for low rpm torque to tow and haul heavy loads. if you want a smooth idle stick with 4 cylinder imports that cant move more groceries.

 

I hear alot of BS around here...

For the retards that say rough idle is "normal" for a truck, then why are there people posting that they have smooth idle. Is it normal for some trucks and not for others? Like I said, some of you guys have been hanging around the dealership too long if you believe rough idle, suspension vibrations, etc etc are normal for a truck.

And as far as the whole "Japanese parts are more expensive" debate, consider this: If you have to replace them less often then you will spend less in the end.

Dont kid yourself, there's nothing more built in America about an F150 than there is a Nissan or Toyota. Domestic manufacturers produce parts in Mexico and Canada, and assemble the cars in the US...as does Nissan and Toyota. The only difference is that if you buy a Nissan or Toyota, you pay for quality products in which the company has invested alot in R&D and quality assurance. If you buy domestic, that money goes to overpaid nonskilled union workers instead.

LOL, I just looked at Ford's website, and it says "Bold moves with lean manufacturing". Bold? Foreign automanufacturers have been using lean manufacturing for a decade, and Ford just now starts and its all of the sudden bold? Pathetic.

 

You said it besides your rotor (you bought a 2wd, they are high, next time buy a real truck ) your talking aftermarket. Replacement parts are cheaper for domestic vehicles in all my experience, and I can work on them when they need it. Yes, the plugs are higher than they used to be, you don't have to buy plug wires like in the old days that offset the costs some. Ok, no parts are cheap but these are cheaper.

 

this "retard" has been a ford tech for 16 years now and has alot of insight, experience and info from the engineers that design the trucks and assist us with the drivabilty problems you "experts" on this board dream up. No 2 engines are the same, so stop comparing your truck to someone elses on the internet. some trucks will idle smoother than others, thats just the way it is. that doesnt mean the truck with the "rough idle" has a problem. it may have to do with the fuel one truck owner is running compared to anther. how about the different fuels for the different climates, did you know the northern states get a different fuel blend in the winter and will cause engines to run a little rough on warmer days. and it takes awhile for these fuels to be purged out of service and will cause a rough idle, i bet thats ford fault too.
lets not forget that under all the creature comforts everybody wants these days on their "trucks", there is still an internal combustion engine and a "truck" chasis that needs to satisfy all the different ways a truck owner will use it. some trucks never see a trailer or haul a load more than golf clubs and kids, while some are used beyond their limits and do it like a truck "built Ford tough".
So, before you start name calling and insulting people you better know who your talking too and what your talking about.

 

Enjoy it if you own one. By the way I'm a union worker, don't forget where you live. In the end it sounds like those of you are supporting the wrong people.

 

What does an overpaid union worker have to do with where I live? Americans also work at foreign assembly plants in America, and with alot more job security too with a little more realistic pay. Sorry that BS doesnt work on me.

As far as the guy thats a Ford tech, well no wonder you think rough idle and such is "normal". Also, just to help you understand, my truck has idled rough since my first oil change, despite the weather, brand of gas, cycle of the moon, etc. So those excuses dont work. Ive owned trucks before, including an F150 and the idle was smooth, and this was an old 351 Windsor GT40 engine.

Also Im a former automotive machinist and currently an engineer, since we're throwing out professions here....

 

well said brother! Union worker myself too. Lots of people don't understand why we need Unions!

 

Foreign automanufacturers dont have unions and you dont see them closing plants left and right, and you also dont see useless workers intentionally stopping assembly lines. Detroit UAW needs to get a clue and realize once they get laid off they wont be able to go anywhere else and make anywhere near the same money.

The Ford plant here in Norfolk just closed and I have many friends looking for jobs that have become accustomed to a lifestyle they can no longer support. Without any form of higher education or trade skill, its gonna be hard to find another job with half the pay...and they're finding that out.

 

Are you jealous your not union or that union workers make more than you? I don't understand why some people think union workers or either overpaid or don't have the knowledge to support there pay.
I have owned three toyotas, one honda and one nissian. They were no better than any other car I've owned. I had problems with them all. The best car I've had has been an american car. My 95 bonneville has 207K and has had no major problems. The few minor problems it's had I've been able to fix and yes parts were not that much. I just replace the ignition module on it for $130,tuned it up for $50 and replaced the fuel filter for $10.
This is my second f150, yes I've had a few problems with it, more than my last one. This is my forth Ford truck first two being rangers and they lasted a long time with few problems.
no bs here, I'm happy with what I drive

 

BUY AMERICAN AND THE ASSEMBLY LINES MIGHT STILL BE OPEN.

BUY AMERICAN AND YOUR FRINDS MIGHT STILL HAVE HAD A JOB.

You have to believe in and support something for it to work.

 

First of all, a union worker doesnt make more than me. I just told you in my previous post, many of my friends that worked at the now closed Ford plant cannot find jobs at anywhere near the same pay. Thats not my opinion, thats reality. Its a non skilled job, whats so hard to understand about it?

A journeyman/master electrician can make $24/hr, an experienced welder/pipefitter maybe $24/hr, but a non skilled worker making anything over $25/hr is not reality.

 

A car is an expensive piece of equipment. If I feel that an american car is not up to task and a "foreign" car is then I'm going to buy the "foreign" car. End of story. I have stuck with Fords for a while now because they have worked for me. I'd have no qualms (and with the way the dealerships have been giving me the run around on some issues it may be sooner than later) dropping them and going to another brand, foreign or not, that meets my needs.

I don't need to "buy american" to support someone that made a car that doesn't meet my requirements for a vehicle. Sure, sucks they lost their job, but that's not my fault.

 

Why is everyone so quick to blame the union for the fact that the american auto industry is having problems. If more americans would support america and buy american we wouldn't be in this situation, believe it or not. Everybody want something cheaper so they out source it and then blame someone else for there problems. Unions help to better the workers education and benefits. If your friend didn't lean anything of value while assembling cars then how do you blame the union? My union has great education department. So if I didn't learn anything how could I blame them?

Support american and your friend would have a job.