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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 01:02 AM
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Long Term ownership and Broken Spark Plug TSB - Reason enough for Extended Warranty?

I have ordered an 07 F-150 FX4 SCrew, 5.4L FFV, 6.5' bed, Power Moonroof, Power sliding Rear Window, Power Fold mirrors, etc. Since I will keep this truck long-term, (probably over 10 years), and with the Spark Plug TSB, are those reasons enough to purchase the 7 year/100,000 extended warranty?

I got a quote online for 7 year/100,000 Premium Care for $1,660 with $100.00 deductible, $2,115.00 for $0.00 deductible. Pretty good deal, from shopping around.

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 07:00 AM
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Based on the experiences I've seen posted on this forum, Ford is trying to make the owners pay for broken spark plug removal even if the truck is under the original factory warranty. Extended warranties usually have a long list of items that are not covered (spark plugs are usually characterized as a "wear" item, so they are seldom covered by extended warranties), so the chances of getting Ford to pay for a broken spark plug under an extended warranty are probably slim. In other words, I don't think having an extended warranty will help much if you are seeking leverage to get Ford to pay for a broken plug.

If you're worried about the cost of a possible broken plug, I think you'd be better off investing the money you would have spent on the extended warranty in a savings account or mutual fund. If the worst happens, you can still try to get Ford or the dealer to cover the cost, but the money is there to pay for the repair if it is needed.

Just my $0.02.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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I did not buy one when I bought my truck, but over the next few months, Ford kept on sending me specials and I eventually got a 72 month ESP for $800.00. Just remember that the warranty starts counting miles from the day you get your truck and goes from there, it does not start after the factory one ends.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 07:35 AM
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Agreed.

And, if you plan on keeping it that long, plan on removing the plugs NOW (or very soon), & follow the TSB W.R.T plug prep & reinstall procedures. This has all been posted several times before & it's good advice...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=14

Do this removal/inspect/prep/replace every 25~30K & your risk factor goes way down...

Good luck.

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:57 AM
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The TSB does not apply to 2006-2007 F150s, ONLY the 2004-2005.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by a n t h o n y
The TSB does not apply to 2006-2007 F150s, ONLY the 2004-2005.

Hi.


Thanks for the correction.

So what are you saying?

The 06's+ don't have this issue? There have been no reported 06+ spark plug removal issues?

What's changed? Nickel anti-sieze being applied on the plug extension at the factory?

I'd appreciate a confirmation here....

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Hi.


Thanks for the correction.

So what are you saying?

The 06's+ don't have this issue? There have been no reported 06+ spark plug removal issues?

What's changed? Nickel anti-sieze being applied on the plug extension at the factory?

I'd appreciate a confirmation here....

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The only reason the TSB only lists the 04 and 05 was because they were written before the 06 and 07 came out. The TSB still applies to the 06 and 07 as nothing changed regarding plugs, block or any major part of the engine. The TSB is nothing more then advice to the tech on how to go about pulling those plugs and what to do if they break. It's not a recall or admission of a problem. Nor is there a permanent fix, it will always be a problem with these motors.

An 06 can still have a plug break off just as easy as an 04 (given mileage and wear is the same).

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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Thanks, Duke.

jsb - gather your tools ...

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by F150 Duke
The only reason the TSB only lists the 04 and 05 was because they were written before the 06 and 07 came out. The TSB still applies to the 06 and 07 as nothing changed regarding plugs, block or any major part of the engine. The TSB is nothing more then advice to the tech on how to go about pulling those plugs and what to do if they break. It's not a recall or admission of a problem. Nor is there a permanent fix, it will always be a problem with these motors.

An 06 can still have a plug break off just as easy as an 04 (given mileage and wear is the same).

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No. The article would have been superseded and apply the new years and models. The most current TSB is 06-15-2, which already supersedes TSB 06-5-9. Also the TSB is for "SPARK PLUG REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS" so the only thing 2006-2007 owners need to do is...

ONCE THE SPARK PLUGS HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED, NEW PLUGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED USING A FILM COATING OF MOTORCRAFT HIGH TEMPERATURE NICKEL ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT (XL-2) ON THE GROUND ELECTRODE SHIELD OF THE NEW SPARK PLUG (FIGURE 7). DO NOT COAT THE ELECTRODE STRAP OR THE PLUG WILL MISFIRE. THE NEW PLUGS SHOULD BE INSTALLED WITH NO LUBRICANT ON THE THREADS AND TORQUED TO SPECIFICATION, 25 LB-FT (34 N-m).
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by a n t h o n y
No. The article would have been superseded and apply the new years and models. The most current TSB is 06-15-2, which already supersedes TSB 06-5-9. Also the TSB is for "SPARK PLUG REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS" so the only thing 2006-2007 owners need to do is...
Good information. Why, couldn't you do the same for the 04/05 then? Nothing ever changed in the spark plug or the engine.

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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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Great Info - Thanks everyone

Thanks everyone. I think I've learned that Spark Plug TSB or not, it really doesn't bear on having an extended warranty or not.

So maybe the long-term ownership should be the biggest decision factor.

This is a great forum, with very knowledgeable members. This site is a completely invaluable resource for a new owner to learn from other experienced F-150 owners.

JSB
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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how many miles does ford recommend u change the factory plugs anyone know?
 
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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Thought it was 100,000 miles. I will change mine every 25,000. Had mine changed once for a tsb at around 24,000 and will keep up that rotation, peace of mind and less chance of break off.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 01:40 AM
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I waited until I felt the dealerships had a grasp on the situation. (TSB & removal tool, and did a few plug changes) My mistake. At 53k mi they broke 3 of 8 plugs. The service manager told me he couldn't get another truck with 30k mi covered under warranty. I'm sure the extended won't cover it. BUT, it does seem that some dealers will help you more than others. So do yourself the favor and ask the dealer who is responsible for cost if they do break. Call different Ford dealers in your area and see what they say before you take it in for service. Pull your plugs early and frequently just to clean them up, not necessarily to replace them. They are expensive, and you just need to keep them from seizing in the head. Good luck
 
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