Yes, they only got 335rwhp@5150 out of the one dyno run that they showed on TV. However it was only at 7PSI. Spike is on channel 325 (directv).

 

I don't see how you put down 359 with the same supercharger, when their kit has shorty's, exhaust, intake + tune. What does Powerworks do that magnacharger didn't give to banks?

 

A tune can make all the difference in the world. I'd imagine that Banks would of worked off of Powerworks tune and made it better, especially with the added components, but it's hard to tell. Adding heavy rims and heavy tires doesn't help much either. Also, Drew has a 2wd compared to the heavier 4X4. We could expect 10-20rwhp less than a 2wd just with the loss alone. The way the dyno's are set up can vary the numbers as well.

With my stock Whipple, I was around 345RWHP with the stock tune, but we hit the limiter and couldn't go any further. Once the limiter was removed, the curve would of taken me to around 380RWHP on the stock tune, but I did a bunch of other mods at the same time.

 

Maybe the knowledge and experience of what works and what doesnt work together as a team?

 

Hey Jerry, One of the problems I see is that your situation is one of a kind and everyone who buys a Whipple is expecting the same results that you got. You were in the right place and it was the right time for you and Whipple which is why you have the best numbers,tuning and performance out of the majority of the 04-06 F150's.

But if we take you and your numbers out of the equation.......... New ball game for king of the Superchargers

 

You're right, I did get lucky with my set up. It was a mad dash though. I drove up to Fresno from Vegas about 2 weeks before moving from Vegas back to Alaska. I went to a dyno shop in Vegas after doing the upgrade, and something wasn't right with the air/fuel ratio according to them. So in the middle of packing I had to make another 800 mile round trip to Fresno for Whipple to work on the truck. Come to find out the dyno shop in Vegas didn't know what they were doing, and the air/fuel ratios were actually okay.

My truck dyno'd after all the upgrades at around 375 rwhp in Vegas, and whipple dyno'd it at 385-390 with no changes. Once they were done working on it though, we had her up a lot higher. I can't thank those guys enough for spending the time they did on my truck. This gave them a baseline to work off of for a future upgrade package they plan to offer, but I think they are waiting for more superchargers to be on the streets first. I left at 2am to drive to Fresno and got there half an hour before they opened. They worked about 7 hours on the truck dyno tuning it and I drove the 400 miles back to Vegas that night.

I'm a believer of the tune now though. I think all these superchargers are capable of mid 400 horsepower numbers, it just has to be dialed in right, and have the right combination of components. I watched all day as they got higher numbers from adjusting spark, fuel delivery and whatever else they monitored. The numbers kept going up as they dialed it in more and more. They even got some pinging, and instead of drawing out the power, they added more fuel which took the pinging out, added power and brought everything where it needed to be.

 

I saw the episode too. If i remember right i think that they said it was only producing 5.5 lbs of boost. But i could be wrong. I'll have to watch it again and check.

 

I agree...
So for real world numbers, with the amount of tuning, work and time you received from Whipple at say $125 per hour, it would cost the average person $1000 plus? to get dialed in at the maximum safe non blow up level.
Because our trucks are new with the superchargers, there are few tuners with experience to quickly dial them in. This is why there are more average tunes compared to great tunes on our trucks..

Did you get my email?

 

I got 326/370 with the stock whipple tune in my Lariat 4x4. This was right after the truck had been driven over an hour in 95+ degree July in Alabama, so there was plenty of heat soak. We ran into the same thing with the speed limiter. Removed it and got 365/395. I'm going back to the dyno next week with the new LT headers, efans, and 3" dual exhaust and a 3" pulley swap.

335 rwhp seems low to me with headers and exhaust.

 

It would cost a pretty penny to have this done by a qualified tuner, in fact, most would probably call it good well before they reached its max potential. These guys really went the extra mile for me, and since they were developing a tune for possible future use, I was kind enough to "donate" my time to let them work on my truck. It gives them a good starting point to give others though. I'm going to tinker with mine a little more since I am re-gearing with 4.56 later this month. I bought a Diablo tuner through Whipple which I can download my current tune, and work with it from there. It'll allow me to add or take away spark and fuel, and I'll be able to adjust for tire and gear ratio's myself. All I have to do is file the current tune as the stock tune and I can make several more off of that. Now I have the capability to take out some timing for winter when the weather dips, and bring some more in when I start using higher octane fuel. I can also send information to Whipple and they can work on the tune from there, or e-mail it to Ford Racing on the east coast and they can put something together for me to try. I think I'll enjoy this long distance tuning capability that I'll have soon.

I did get your e-mail, I'll send you one back right now.

 

What a good man you are.. Donating your truck for two worthy causes... Whipple product develpement and THE QUEST FOR MORE POWER .....YOURS

 

What can I say? I'm just a generous guy.

 

What do you guys think about the new Banks dual exhaust (looks, etc)? My friend was all set to get the Roush dual off road exhaust because he likes the way it sounds and looks on my truck but after he watched the show earlier today, he called me and told me he's added the Banks dual exhaust as another choice to ponder about. The Banks is also about $150 more expensive than the Roush dual off road exhaust.

 

I am starting to think the Banks system is overrated and overpriced. I wasn't really impressed with the power gains on any of the three stages, especially the first round with just the exhaust, intake and tuner. People here are getting much higher numbers with less expensive set ups. I don't think he'll see any better or worse numbers if he goes with the Banks over the Roush, since exhaust pretty much doesn't do much for you at all. I did like the look of the Banks tips, but for the price, you can get what you want with the wide variety of tips available. I think the extra $150 would be a waste of money. Heck, the Roush is even overpriced too.

 

This has been my feelings about Banks for a long time, basically ever since my old man started modding his Power Strokes. Banks has been and still gets a huge thumps down from me!!!